Brexit and MEPs?

maxdecatt
Don't forget the UK are just as able to veto any EU proposal as any other state.

Unelected bureacrats, Nahsma, are the decision makers who make sure that their ideas are accepted by MEPs by bribery, coercion & any means that they can to keep running a so-called united Europe with themselves at the top of the pile.
The people that we vote for never vote themselves for anything that the ordinary people want. If they did this country would not be subservient to the rest of Europe. We would have our own laws etc. Anyway I am not getting into an argument here with anyone, as I said before I am now off to my rocking chair & dribbling all over myself due to my extremely old age ok? Bye all for now ?

No I am most certainly not a fascist Maxdecatt. The Liberal Democrats are far away from fascism as it is possible to be.

Surely you understand that advising others how best to vote is not the same as dictating to others.

I suggest you think again before you support liar Farage, but I do not dictate to you or anyone else.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-xLmI352vE

Fascism: at its most basic it is a nationalist ideology.

Certainly not something one would subscribe to Liberal- dem. ideology.

I've only received a polling card for my local council elections and that only very recently.

Why would any sane person take notice of someone else 'advising' them how to vote.
It's a private matter despite what is talked about on GN.
I'm gobsmacked at the number if remainers, all in the same clique, who do their utmost to pooh-pooh other views and cite hundreds of links and call anyone who has opposing views.
If they are convinced theirs is the right way to vote...just get on with it. Stop trashing other views just as it's wrong and unacceptable (so I've been told by those same people) to denounce other religions.
If you don't agree with the way others think, why not spend less time talking about it?
Their view is just as valid.

VARIAN. The LibDem leader, Vince Cable, made it quite clear on TV yesterday and today that the LibDems have one aim and ambition. STOP BREXIT. That is a deliberate decision to thwart the democratic vote to leave the EU. If LibDems cannot accept democratic decisions they are well on the road to fascist dictatorship ideology.

I'm gobsmacked at the number if remainers, all in the same clique, who do their utmost to pooh-pooh other views and cite hundreds of links and call anyone who has opposing views.

I'm equally gobsmacked by the Leavers who come on and post rants like this one below with absolutely no evidence to back up what they are saying. GG54

It's the promulgation of unevidenced propaganda that has got us into the mess we're in. Demagoguery designed to elicit an emotional response and bypass critical thought...

Unelected bureacrats, Nahsma, are the decision makers who make sure that their ideas are accepted by MEPs by bribery, coercion & any means that they can to keep running a so-called united Europe with themselves at the top of the pile.

maxdecatt - how many more times do some of need to point out that the referendum majority was about 1.4 million. To make decisions that affect the who;e population based upon that small number is entirely undemocratic.

WHITEWAVEMARK2
I find it telling that you finish your comment with "Liberal-dem." Preumably the democratic part of the Liberal Democrat party name is the lesser bit, the bit that can be diminished and disregarded?

DINAHMO. Your argument is just as ludicrous as saying that the runner who finished a second or two behind the winner should be rewarded with the winners prize. It is called democracy, something the UK latched on to years ago and has tried to force down the throats of "lesser" nations.

The Lib Dems and Change UK are going after the same votes. Brexit Party and UKIP are going after the same votes. Labour and Tories are both saying Leave but on terms that mean not really. It is going to be a strange election.

DINAHMO. How about you answer this question.
A second referendumn is held and Reamain win by a million votes. Is that acceptable to you? Or if Leave win by a million votes....will that be acceptable to you? Hard decisions you need to make. If you were a democrat they would present no problem...but as you are obviously not a democrat you will twist and turn and moan till the cows come home...or until you get your own way and to hell with democracy.

Maxdecatt - you might be surprised if you actually went and got the facts on relative member states' contributions. Germany, for instance, takes out far less than it puts in. But don't let facts stop you.
Varian - with you all the way.

It is no secret that the powers that be are determined that the EU will become a Federal body regardless of what the people want. This is not something that I would want even though my belief that we would be better off with Sovereign rule has been slightly tarnished by the fiasco going on in our Parliament. Anybody who has ever planned a family meal knows how hard it is to please everybody so I find it incredible that anyone can suggest that 28 nations can agree such important things without it becoming cumbersome and inefficient...as it is!
I'd like to see the whole shebang disbanded and to start again with better system in the UK working with a better, streamlined EU. I'd also like all my teeth back.

MOXEYNS Of course Germany puts in far more than it takes out. On the face of it that is the case. The truth is that Germany puts in the money which the EU then lends to the basket-cases so that they can then buy mainly German goods. In essence Germany is financing the sales it makes. The result is German industry thrives and the borrowers have no need to invest in their own manufacturing base. They become receivers, not producers. The EU loans have to be repaid, when the inevitable defaults start (Greece is a good example) they are given more loans to repay the previous loan, but always a little more to spend importing from (mainly) Germany. When Germany decides to seize (reposess) the assets they will be allowed to do so by EU law. Basically, poorer nations are sucked into a vortex of debt from which there is no escape. So yes. Germany puts in more ...but ends up taking out everything.

Yes , varian, you're correct, I have had enough of this BREXIT nonsense- that is we haven't left yet and become a free nation.

Hello to all new members.

I shall vote for the Brexit Party if we do have EU elections.

Like many, I imagine Parliament will agree to May's appalling Withdrawal Agreement before then rather than face the truth, that people are angry and WILL vote for the Brexit party as a show of strength and as a rebuke to the Conservative and Labour Parties.

It's an absolute disgrace that after three years of negotiations the UK is in such a state. Leave meant Remain all along. Our present collection of MPs are not to be trusted and I hope the Brexit Party has them running scared, now and in the future.

It's the only alternative for those who have watched as those Leavers voted for have betrayed us and played games.

maxdecatt
I've spent a lot of time over the past 14 years in Eastern Europe, 5 of them living there. As you so rightly said: Germany rule there. It's also very noticeable how many of them speak German.

Just so you know, I have reported all those messages who have used Gransnet for political campaigning. We all have our views on Brexit and support whoever we want, but Gransnet is not a platform for those who wish to persuade another person to vote in any particular way. Use the proper channels.

Lots of max’s about

Enough already .

Maxdecatt - I would expect a second referendum to require a sensible majority - ie 60% in favour, rather than a first past the post. In a country with a population in the region of 65 million a majority of around 1 million is not satisfactory - either way.

Mojomax - what on earth are you on about? This thread has a political subject, one which has exercised many correspondents. People are voicing their opinions - I have not seen any signs of political campaigning. You do not have to read threads that you might consider to be political.

well said Dinahmo. over here the French are horrified that the referendum was a 50/50 vote. it should be at least 60/40 when it is status quo versus the unknown.

And 1 million majority is risible in a country of 65 million. Theresa May's deal is disastrous, as if we were still in the EU with our hands tied. No deal is worse. Brexit has been proved to be a very bad, expensive idea and left us a laughing stock globally.

Thankfully all our French friends and neighbours are in sympathy with us and do not take us European Brits for fools.

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