Brexit, cutting the red tape

The first duty of an MP is to avoid doing anything that would harm our country.

It follows that all MPs who are honest and intelligent and understand our national situation and choose to follow their conscience will vote Remain.

I disagree Grandad1943 although I am a remainer. I believe on an issue that is so important to the nation's future all whips should be ignored by all MPs.

It should be a vote of conscience, however to their shame they will follow the party's line.

It is being reported in the media that the Labour Party executive are warning Labour MPs who may be thinking of supporting the latest Johnson withdrawal deal, that they may lose the Parliamentary Whip.

The warning is attached to the fact that Johnson has left out of the prospective agreement any assurance that current legislation in regard to employment rights, workplace safety and equalities will remain aligned to EU regulations after Britain leaves the European Union.

The above is I believe the correct action by the executive, as how can any MP support such an agreement and still claim to possess any vestige of Labour movement values whatsoever.

In the above, I also feel that any Labour MP who supports such legislation should also face deselection by their constituency party and their membership of the party be also withdrawn.

I am more impressed with Sir John Curtice's analysis or more than three hundred polls.

www.cityam.com/britain-would-now-vote-to-stay-in-the-eu-mega-poll-reveals/

NewNanny A representative from YouGov has said that the Comres poll came with Caveats because it was a 3 way split:

42% remain
30% leave with a deal
20% leave with out a deal

I don't think that you can add the last two results together because they are totally different opinions.

Wasn't it last month's Express poll where the methodology was shot down in flames?

newnanny, in regard to your post @15:30 today, if Britain reduces the effectiveness of legislation such as workplace safety then the EU and other advanced trading Blocs or Nations will not be approving trading agreements with the United Kindom.

Those that do allow British imports to there markets will impose very high tariffs to eliminate any benefit British exporters will gain from reduced or eliminated Industrial safety legislation.

David Cameron reduced some regulations on product safety in manufacturing on taking up majority government 2014, and also cut finance to the Health & Safety Executive and Commission which are the bodies responsible for the imposition of workplace and product safety in Britain.

The Grenfell Tower inquiry is yet to fully report, but what has become known from the evidence so far taken would be that the downgrading of product manufacturing safety and inspection was a very substantial factor in bringing the disaster about.

As stated, the above were the results of weakening the Health & Safety at Work Act and it's encompassing legislation.

Does anybody wish to witness more of the same?

Well the BBC has similar numbers. GillT57 as posted above.

I only hear that there are swathes of Brexiteers regretting their decision on this forum.

That myth has been shot down in a BBC article. It appears most people would vote the same way as they did 3 years ago

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50043549

yes well, you do know that Channel five is owned by the same man as The Express?

Suprised, probably because we are constantly hearing Remainers telling us everyone who voted to leave in 2016 has changed their mind now and we all want to remain!

That poll has been done for a live programme this evening. Massive poll. 26000 people were polled and the majority wanted to stand by the result of the referendum and leave the EU.

It's on tonight. Jeremy Vine . Channel 5 at 9 I think. The poll was conducted for this programme, Ch5 and ITV. They were very surprised with the results.

There are so many inaccuracies and myths in your post that I truly cannot be bothered to correct them.

Reported in Daily Express, but carried out independently by Com Res with 26,000 people so not the usual small scale poll.

The point of leaving EU is that we don't want to be told by EU what we should be doing in terms of business after we leave the EU. They should concentrate on sorting out their own policies and leave us to our own policy decisions.

Just another example of EU trying to boss others about and wanting everything their way even when they are no longer part of the club.

If we wanted to bail out one of our companies we could not do so under the level playing field. We would also not be able to slash our business rates to be more competitive.

ah well newnanny if you read it in the Daily Express, it must be right.

Johnson has left out all the guarantees of alignment to European Union rules in regard to employment rights, industrial/workplace safety, and equalities from the present leave plan he has placed in front of the EU commission. That is now causing problems in terms of the EU negotiators demands of a level playing field.

To take just one of the above, workplace safety. since the Health & Safety at Work legislation was brought forward in 1974 workplace accidents and cases of work related ill-health have been reduced by more than eighty-six percent, and that has been achieved on the back of an ever-growing national workforce.

The above legislation was not introduced out of the government's heart for decent safety at that time. It was brought forward to reduce the huge burden that was being placed on the NHS and the Welfare services by the enormous number of serious avoidable workplace accidents and incidents that were taking place on a daily basis at that time.

Now Johnson seems to think that British employers will gain a big advantage over European business if this legislation is removed. However, he has been "rumbled" by the EU Commission and their negotiators.

Just how low can Johnson sink. What an excuse for a human being this man is.

Gill no one is saying we don't want toys that are not safe for our gc. But why do you think only the EU is capable of legislating for safe toys? We hear the same about animal welfare yet Boris wants higher standards of animal welfare than the EU such as banning sending live animals overseas to be slaughtered. Also some of the EU rules such as VAT on sanitary products are just plain daft. The whole point of leaving and ruling ourselves is that we can adopt some of the EU rules where they are sensible and benefit us but get rid of the daft ones. we all want safe toys for dgc.

So why not have a confirmatory people's vote on the deal newnanny*.

Varian your are wrong. A large poll by ComRes with a much larger sample than usual has found more people want to leave the EU than ever.

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1191415/brexit-news-comres-poll-boris-johnson-news-Leave-vote-Remain-vote

oh Moggie57.........have you read the OP? Why do people criticise Health and Safety rules? Why is it so outrageous to expect to come home from work in the same state of health as when you got there, why is it wrong to expect to buy an item, perhaps a toy for your grandchild that is safe and won't injure them? I am trying very hard to be polite and understanding, but .......Also, would you like to back up some of your more outrageous quotes from Angela Merkel? Sigh.

would we get another chance to vote? was meant to say..

i dont think people would vote to stay .after all the red tape and the hiring and firing of mps.its one big mess up. our government is and was unable to cope with the leave situation .we should leave. we voted to leave. why the hell do we want another referendum .if it had gone the other way and we voted to stay ,we would get another chance to vote . no we wouldnt .no deal and leave.who wants germany in control of england .i certainly dont.we already send europe billions of pounds every week. . we need the money to pay for our FREE nhs. for schoools.health care .education..am fed up with all this euro rubbish... health and safety twaddle. sorry we voted to leave. we must leave.do you know the first words from the german chancellor when we voted leave. her words were "i thought we got them". me i'm not old enough to be through any war that fought to keep england free .but call me patriotic /old fashioned / but wasnt both world wars to keep germany out of england.yes i know we have lovely doctors and nurses from other countries. but england should look after her self ,than let germany rule us.

No, newnanny we do not want or need a GE until this Brexit fiasco is sorted out. As a remainer living in a constituency with an ERG MP, my vote for anyone other than him would be a waste as he has such a huge majority, I want a second referendum to settle Brexit, then a GE based on what the various parties propose as a way of going forward, whether we leave the EU or we don't.

We are all voting LibDem this time but back then the important thing was to vote tactically to reduce May's majority. Then again we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now if Labour were more openly anti Brexit, but that won't happen, will it .

accurately registered.