Boris Johnson and his lies

Nonnie he has applied and been refused entry as he was told he does not originate from an EU country and the rules for residency from non EU countries are far stricter in terms of having to earn so much more and extra money too for child. The Home Office have told them after we leave the EU they their application will be far stronger as then all people will be judged upon merit and skills and not country of origin. Her parents and grand parents are worried sick about her living in Turkey as it is not safe, especially at the moment and the child does not cope with heat well as asthmatic. Child is almost 4 and my niece wants him to live and go to school in UK.

Why can't he apply for a family visa, assuming your niece is British?

Forget that! I just checked and your niece would need an income of £22,400pa. I assume she doesn't.

If a billion pounds every month does not get sent to EU then it can be used to fund services in the UK. At the moment it is 12 billion but next year it would have been 17 billion.

Can you tell me where you got these figures from, newnanny?

Whether it's 12 billion or 17 billion, it's actually a drop in the ocean in the context of total GDP, especially as the UK gains far more from businesses which have relocated to the UK and generate work, etc and the profitable services which the UK provides.

newnanny then it must be his particular circumstances because the person I know very well (went to the citizenship ceremony) had no difficulty at all and wasn't married to a Brit. Came here simply for a job for which very well qualified. Not from EU, not even from Europe. It surprises me that someone from the Home Office has said that because I have a friend who is in a very senior position in the HO and says they never give such 'advice'.

I think the earnings of my friend was about £18k at the time.

I think (but could be wrong) that new rules were introduced last year. Most people need a job with a salary of 30k. If a non-EU spouse comes with a UK wife and child, the spouse needs to be earning about £22.4k. The only exception is for people on the list of shortage occupations and entrepreneurs.

newnanny I hope it all works out, but I must admit I wouldn't be very hopeful. Just because fewer EU citizens will come to the UK doesn't mean that there will be more places for non-EU citizens. The aim is to reduce the overall total.

Nonnie The person you know could have qualified because he(?) had already been working in the UK for some time.

I'm surprised that the Home Office said anything of the sort too. Firstly, I wouldn't have thought it would be very professional to give such advice and secondly, I doubt very much if the Home Office knows how any new system would work.

growstuff yes you are right that is why I suggested getting a visa first. That is what my friend did and is now a valued member of UK society paying far more into the system than they get out. However newnanny said his wife is a nurse so she would be earning more than that and if he is in such a high position he would qualify under the earnings rule. Imo it is a red herring.

Maybe the wife needs to have a job in the UK first. I agree, by the way. Brexit probably won't make any difference at all. I heard, anecdotally, that many people with relatives in the Indian subcontinent voted Brexit because they were led to believe it would be easier for their relatives to come to the UK. If they have high-level science, medicine or IT skills, they can already come to the UK and Brexit won't change anything.

I'm no expert on this, but I agree with you Nonnie. If the niece is a British citizen, it doesn't matter what her job is because she has the right to be here. The important thing is that she earns over the threshold to "sponsor" her husband, which I would have thought a qualified nurse does. If the child has dual nationality, she/he will probably have the right to be here too.

I read about a case recently where the husband wasn't given a visa because he'd overstayed a previous visa (or something like that - I can't remember exactly). Presumably that isn't the case here.

MY niece is a nurse but not working at the moment as child is not school aged and in Turkey nursery childcare is not readily available as it is in UK and she lives in rural location.

Her husband has not overstayed as he has never been out of Turkey.

I think we are all rather getting off the point new & grow (yes I include me) which is that being in the EU or not, in this case, will make no difference.

Newnanny can you respond to my other points please?

I agree Nonnie and am sorry. I was interested in finding out how the system works because I don't really see that Brexit will make any difference. But what do I know? I'm pretty sure the Home Office doesn't know either.

But once again Brexit was sold to the public on a promise that will probably not be kept- we'll stop EU citizens but make it easier for others. There has been a consistent movement to make it more difficult for anyone to bring spouses from any country into the UK in recent years.

The New York Times gives a more accurate assessment of Johnson than our pro-brexit media

www.nytimes.com/2019/10/21/world/europe/brexit-newspapers-boris-Johnson.html

Newnanny, as others have said it is very difficult and expensive now to get a husband or wife into the U.K., even from western countries like US and Australia. The rules probably will change for migrants after Brexit and those will special skills will be allowed in, just how high the salary level will be is uncertain.
I don’t think that affects spouses coming to UK, the child probably has got the right to residency has he/she got a British passport if not why not.

Why should your niece have an automatic right to marry a foreign national and bring him to live in this country newnanny?

Why shouldn't she?

Remember the outcry in this country when people from Asia, particularly those of Pakistani origin, were able to marry people from their home country and bring them in?

I personally had no problem with that, and knew several families who did this. Neither have I any issues with ‘her’ niece and her Turkish husband.

But I’m suggesting the law was changed to close that immigration through the back food loophole. And I’m suggesting that there are some who might agree that was a ‘good’ thing.

Through the back door....I meant!

It sounded remarkably as though you are one of those people...

Actually I’m not. But go ahead and judge if that makes you happy.

But on the other hand there are plenty who supported that change but started shouting ‘unfair’ when it was someone in their own family or from a white country...if you get my drift.

Think this might be a good place for this:

Just a small example of the way that Brexit is messing up people's lives because their loves and occupations go beyond national borders. Posted by a Brit living in Poland

I'm pasting the lot because it might reach more people than it would if I just posted a link

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1/ A depressing night at the British Embassy regarding #Brexit. The Government clearly only thinks (or cares) about super straight forward cases, but some people are utterly terrified...

2/ first, woman attending for 99 yr old mum, who’s lived in PL 50 yrs & received letter saying she’d lose healthcare access. She doesn’t receive her UK pension into PL bank acc, or qualify for private care, so will now have to pay 400zl a month to ZUS to receive treatment...

3/ Indian citizen, mum to a little girl who’s a British citizen because estranged father’s English. Mum in PL legally atm because daughter currently EU citizen. Until Brexit when, as a result, mum will lose right to stay. Unresolved.

4/ British woman just moved to Poland because Italian partner has been posted here for work for 3 years. Couple haven’t yet found anywhere to live, as such she’ll be unable to apply for Brexit temporary residency card unless they find a home in the next week.

5/ Polish woman owns a home and lives in Poland, husband works in Jersey and is not resident here. After Brexit will not therefore be able to be in Poland for longer than 90 days at a time. Will have to leave his wife every 90 days.

6/ British citizens will lose access to the NHS in the UK after no deal Brexit. Family and friends coming to visit us in Poland will have to apply for health/travel insurance just to visit.

7/ Spouses of British citizens visiting their families in Britain will either have to be brought into the country with their UK citizen travel partner, or if travelling alone, face 3rd country national queues to show why they are coming to visit their own families

8/ Spouses of UK citizens will have up to March 2022 to apply for UK Settled Status, but be subject to new income-related immigration law after that. I have to buy my own wife into my own country.

10/ The truth is, at a deep personal level, Brexit is ruining lives. Of course those who think the EU is just foreigners coming to UK and an open Irish border think damage will be minimal. But these are real people, real families and real lives being affected.
I should add a thanks to the British Embassy, despite the situation they’re being very helpful. And the Polish Government who, don’t forget, have no real obligation to be as he generous as they are to UK citizens. Feel like they care more about me than my own Government.

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