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Which way do you think it's going to go?

(70 Posts)
grapefruitpip Wed 30-Oct-19 18:25:25

I reckon hung parliament. I am willing to bet 20p.

Your turn......

Daisymae Thu 31-Oct-19 09:36:30

I think it's time for a more grown up form of government. A parliament that is run on collaboration. Not likely though as no one with power ever gives it away. Which leaves millions with little voice.

Jabberwok Thu 31-Oct-19 09:51:45

If the referendum was advisory, then surely the fact that 80% of politicians signed up for article 50 would indicate that they had agreed that advice and were prepared to act upon it?! Even more so, bearing in mind that the two main parties west to a GE on the back of delivering Brexit! Why would you sign up for something, pass it into law, if you didn't agree with it?!

Jabberwok Thu 31-Oct-19 09:54:12

went, not west!!

Davida1968 Thu 31-Oct-19 09:58:52

I've been watching "World on Fire" and thinking how lucky the UK was not to be invaded, how hard many other European countries had it at that time, and how important it is for us all to be united now. Feels like we are "on the brink" of something here at the moment, just like it was back then. (Except that then there wasn't a "loose cannon" at the helm of the USA - and additionally Boris is no Churchill.) Heaven only knows how things will go from here.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 31-Oct-19 10:06:38

Yes Jabberwok I agree totally, we were told that the Referendum was advisory, but that the government would honour and act on the results.

Since parliament voted for Article 50, the majority of clowns (sorry MPs) have thwarted all and everything to enable a smooth exit from the EU. Jeremy Corbyn is on record (video) the morning after the referendum to enact Article 50 immediately.

In the last GE all Labour & Conservative parties campaigned on a "get Brexit done message".

The Conservatives have tried and tried to sort out this mess, admittedly of their own making and no thanks at all to David Cameron.

Jeremy Corbyn has been an Eurosceptic all his political life, now changing to "Oh I am not sure" because he can sniff power. The worrying thing is that along with his current front bench Labour have been unable to organise a credible opposition so how on earth can the electorate think they could manage the Country?

GrannyGravy13 Thu 31-Oct-19 10:11:27

Davida1969 17.4 million voted to leave the EU, not leave Europe, unless you know how the Island of U.K. can be repositioned globally. We have not declared war on the European mainland.

There will still be co-operation between the nations, just not paying 289million (nett) per week to be part of their club.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 31-Oct-19 10:11:57

Typo 280

Calendargirl Thu 31-Oct-19 10:29:01

Andrew Neil made mincemeat of Jo Swinson last night, then went on to do the same with James Claverley.

Perhaps he should be PM?

Yehbutnobut Thu 31-Oct-19 10:33:44

Andrew Neil can be nasty.

SirChenjin Thu 31-Oct-19 11:37:40

Andrew Neil makes mincemeat of every politician he interviews. I think there’s enough nastiness in politics at the moment without adding him to the mix.

How much will this continued co-operation cost us Granny? A rough figure will do.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 31-Oct-19 11:39:27

No idea sirchenjin I am not a member of the political elite.

SirChenjin Thu 31-Oct-19 11:41:40

But you can say for certain that taking everything into account being out of the EU won’t cost us more than £289 million per week?

GrannyGravy13 Thu 31-Oct-19 12:00:04

sirchenjin It is £280 million nett that we now pay to the EU weekly for "free trade" and a "non Schengen customs union"

How much do non EU countries pay the EU for their "free trade" agreements?

SirChenjin Thu 31-Oct-19 12:02:30

That’s what I asked you - as you seem absolutely certain that we’ll be better off each week taking everything into account. I’m curious to know by how much.

Nonnie Thu 31-Oct-19 12:05:16

Well I think the time for trusting what is written in a manifesto is long gone. They will just keep out bidding each other with promises and expecting us to believe them, some will.

It is simple for me as LibDems stand a chance of beating our Conservative MP who is a waste of space.

As I have said on other threads, I think those of us who don't want Brexit should vote for whichever party will oust the Cons in our own constituency because Brexit is forever and a Government is not. We can vote them out in just over 4 years.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 31-Oct-19 12:05:54

sirchenjin your guess is as good as mine or any politician or civil servant.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 31-Oct-19 12:07:23

Sorry posted instead of reviewed.......I did not say we would be better off, just not paying £280 million nett per week.

SirChenjin Thu 31-Oct-19 12:11:55

That’s right - we might not, we might lose more. Terrible state of affairs.

Firecracker123 Thu 31-Oct-19 12:22:24

Boris (who in my opinion is very charismatic) and the Conservatives will gain most seats but not enough to form a government but will join with Nigel Farage and The Brexit Party who will have taken Labour leave seats in the North, Midlands and Wales. Corbyn who has as much charisma as a dead fish lol will sink without a trace and hopefully take the dreadful undemocratic Swinson with him.

growstuff Thu 31-Oct-19 12:23:46

There's no accounting for taste. hmm

growstuff Thu 31-Oct-19 12:25:35

Have you calculated the extras we'll have to pay for out of the £280 million a week? I must admit I haven't because I ran out of fingers and toes to count.

SirChenjin Thu 31-Oct-19 12:32:01

Your post does not surprise me Firecracker

Lol.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 31-Oct-19 12:32:32

Do not blame the electorate sirchenjin blame the politicians.

SirChenjin Thu 31-Oct-19 12:40:43

The electorate wasn't forced to vote Leave Granny.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 31-Oct-19 12:46:06

No but we live in a free society, I didn't go round blaming those who voted for Tony Blair and the subsequent unelected Gordon Brown, I just carried on with my life.

If we do not leave the EU, those that voted leave will no doubt be dissatisfied and disillusioned with politics, but life will continue. If we leave the EU the sun will not fall in, the shops will still be open and people will still go to Europe for work, holidays and to study as the do the rest of the world.