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Is there a secret opposition (or where is Keir?)

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trisher Tue 29-Sep-20 09:47:51

I saw Justine Greening on TV last night criticising the situation in Universities and discussing what could be done. One of the questions asked was where is Gavin Williamson? But I wondered as well why is an ex-Conservative minister the one criticising the awful situation for students. Where is the opposition? Where are the proposals? When the system is failing why isn't Keir Starmer proposing alternatives?

growstuff Tue 29-Sep-20 16:58:32

lemongrove

It’s Justine Greening, not Green or Greener, and she is a disaffected Conservative now standing as an Indie because she disagreed with Brexit.
She was the minister of women and equalities and was the daft person who wanted to change the rules on transgender by making it all self ID instead of the sensible rules already in place.She seemed to think because she is gay she knows best about the subject, women who protested were met with arrogance from her.

Justine Greening isn't an MP any more.

growstuff Tue 29-Sep-20 17:00:10

lemongrove

It’s Justine Greening, not Green or Greener, and she is a disaffected Conservative now standing as an Indie because she disagreed with Brexit.
She was the minister of women and equalities and was the daft person who wanted to change the rules on transgender by making it all self ID instead of the sensible rules already in place.She seemed to think because she is gay she knows best about the subject, women who protested were met with arrogance from her.

Who said anything about Justine Green or Greener?

Kate Green is a different person.

lemongrove Tue 29-Sep-20 17:01:04

Upthread.

growstuff Tue 29-Sep-20 17:04:09

So where's the reference to Justine Green?

growstuff Tue 29-Sep-20 17:05:00

Do you have a contribution to the topic?

lemongrove Tue 29-Sep-20 17:05:23

Yes growstuff you are correct, she stepped down from being an ‘indie’ last year.
I was pointing out that the money was for a year and not a term as stated, Uni fees are horrendous, but not that horrendous.

lemongrove Tue 29-Sep-20 17:11:25

Oh dear growstuff are you being the pencil monitor again??
There isn’t much to be said to the OP, Gavin W was speaking about universities in Parliament either yesterday or today,
And Keir Starmer can’t be shouting about everything all the time.
Individual Universities have to take responsibility for the welfare of their students, some Unis are doing better than others it would seem.

Grany Fri 02-Oct-20 12:28:05

Do you think StRmer is too cautious?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/30/labour-britain-braver-keir-starmer-party-social-economic-change?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR0kZEf52S1J06JEDgqeJQljC4_W1pYHjaRgEXoFN-TJG44QHOjDgxSCzo4

trisher Fri 02-Oct-20 17:12:16

I think he is trying to take ground that the tories have traditionally considered theirs. The problem is that in doing so he is subverting Labour values. The issue of the behaviour of British troops abroad was a lost opportunity to provide a real traditional human rights statement which would have shown his commitment. It was a chance to speak out and he lost it.

Grany Fri 02-Oct-20 19:29:52

Yes I think so too trisher Should stand up for Labour values.