Trump throwing his toys out of the pram

Whitewavemark2

Shall I start a new thread as this has certainly more running time over the next week or more?

Yes

Here this is what is being thought about. It was written after the civil war.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

US 14th Amendment

“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

WWM2 how does the 14th amendment help? Are you sure this is the one you mean? BTW this is a straightforward question not a catch one.

14th amendment seems a good idea as it seems to exclude those implicated in insurrection from holding office or become a senator etc.

That should stop Trump from running for president again, and hopefully get rid of some like Kruz and Hawley.

Actually I suppose we can just continue on the facist thread.

As there will be a lot of discussion about insurrection, white supremacy, and fascism, over the next few days I’m sure.

Shall I start a new thread as this has certainly more running time over the next week or more?

Thanks Elegran. That is certainly not right! I should have written social media platforms not governments. It is the argument many have been having for a long time - that they (social media platforms) should be dealt with under the same laws of publishing as, say, a newspaper.

Thank you for your help.

PippaZ Sun 10-Jan-21 09:36:04 "By banning Trump it appears governments are quite possibly acting as "editors" and that what they are running could therefore be seen as "publishing" "

MaizieD

Which governments are banning Trump, PippaZ?

Social media are banning him but they're far from being government agents (and it would be extremely worrying if they were)

I'm not sure which bit of my post read in that way. Could you flag it for me?

Unfortunately some nationalists address those who disagree with extreme language and personal insults which can lead to threats of violence.

Trump's incitement of his frenzied mob last Wednesday shows us where this can lead to.

I reported Paddyanne's extremely offensive post. In response to my stating the fact that the Russian propaganda news service RT, which aims to destabilise the West had give Nigel Farage his own show to encourage brexit and had given Alex Salmond his own show to promote the destruction of the United Kingdom, she accused me of being a "Vichy Scot". As you know this means a Nazi-supporting traitor, which I am most certainly not. The fact that the post was instantly deleted indicates that GNHQ recoginsed just how offensive it was.

varian

Where were the 2000 police and security officers employed to protect the Capitol?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55611630

Hasn't the chief of the Capitol security police committed suicide?

Lots of speculation from the US about that overnight on twitter.

I think people should have the courage and say when they have reported a post, not cower behind anonymity. That is pathetic.

SueDonim

Just for the record, it wasn’t me who reported Paddyanne’s post of 22:54.

It's alright, sueDonim.

I think there's a few people on Gnet who trawl the threads looking for posts to report..

(waiting to see how long this one will last...)

Where were the 2000 police and security officers employed to protect the Capitol?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55611630

Just for the record, it wasn’t me who reported Paddyanne’s post of 22:54.

Former Trump aide Anthony Scaramucci says Trump supporters are planning another insurrection before Joe Biden's inauguration.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-biden-inauguration-capitol-riot-b1785382.html

MaizieD
“I do hope you're right, Jane43. I am so fearful for you all with only 9 days to go to the Inauguration”

Thankfully we are here in the UK. I am taking so much interest in this because we spent a lot of time in the USA before all this madness started and had a vacation home in Florida which we sold 8 years ago. So we have friends from those days, neighbours and people who looked after our house and I also have a dear friend in Minnesota.

Blaming Antifa wasn’t a good idea was it, most of them won’t have a clue what it stands for and what their aims are.

'Get the firing squads ready. Mike goes FIRST': Secret Service investigates death threats made against Pence by pro-Trump lawyer Lin Wood

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9133225/Secret-Service-investigating-death-threats-against-Pence-pro-Trump-lawyer-Lin-Wood.html

As the Trumpers have already turned on him, Pence should have the courage to invoke Article 25 and remove Trump now.

US first lady Melania Trump has praised the “passion” of Trump supporters in a statement in which she also criticised the violence at the Capitol Building last week. “I am disappointed and disheartened with what happened last week,” Mrs Trump said, before adding she was inspired “to see that so many have found a passion and enthusiasm in participating in an election”.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-news-latest-twitter-ban-live-b1785271.html

Repeatedly lying about the validity of an election and convincing thugs to use force to challenge the result goes well beyond "participating in an election"!

hopefully many of them will have lost the impetus to join in further action.

I do hope you're right, Jane43. I am so fearful for you all with only 9 days to go to the Inauguration.

I believe some Antifa members had access to Parler and before it was closed down they took lots of details of the terrorists: personal details, employment,

So Anitfa aren't the bad guys. What a surprise...

I think the answer to your question Rhinestone is that there was collusion within The White House, The Pentagon and the emergency services. Let’s hope there will be a very thorough investigation and every bit of this collusion will be evidenced. I believe some Antifa members had access to Parler and before it was closed down they took lots of details of the terrorists: personal details, employment, arrangements for the day, details of what they were going to do etc and are passing them on to the FBI. These people are panicking now because they can’t cover their tracks. I can see why some Democrats say there should be a 90 day period before the impeachment trial goes before the Senate, there should be a bulky file of evidence by them and one of the only two lawyers who are willing to represent Trump, ie Guiliani will have faced charges for his part in the incitement and hopefully be in prison. The other reason for a delay would be that Biden can get going with his plans for government.

Now that it is common knowledge that Trump referred to them as ‘low class’ and they realise that they are facing serious consequences for what they took part in hopefully many of them will have lost the impetus to join in further action.

What I am angry about is at that the Lafayette Square protest of George Floyd’s death they used rubber bullets and tear gas so Trump could walk across the street to an old church and hold a Bible upside down in a photo op? Where were those rubber bullets the other day?
The FBI had gone to the homes of some more violent and vocal protestors before the riots and told them they would be arrested if they went to D.C.
Another thing I learned is that the Capitol has its own cell network and they know everyone’s phone number that was on during that time.

Hopefully the tide is beginning to turn against Trump. PGA has cancelled the contract to hold a golf tournament at one of Trump’s golf resorts in 2022 and I believe any tournament at any of Trump’s resorts in the future. JP Morgan and CitiBank will no longer process payments to the Trump campaign website. Hopefully this is the beginning of more big businesses distancing themselves from Trump.