Gransnet forums

News & politics

Is Macron grandstanding?

(92 Posts)
kittylester Wed 23-Dec-20 12:22:32

Boris is getting the blame for the lorry hold up but should the blame be laid at the door or M Macron. Does he really think stopping lorry drivers coming from the UK will keep the French free of the new virus or is he hoping to boost his ratings?

Smileless2012 Wed 23-Dec-20 13:29:20

The countries you have referred too in your post seamstress don't have lorry drivers stuck in the UK, a lot of who will probably not be able to get home in time for Christmas.

rosie1959 Wed 23-Dec-20 13:30:31

seamstress

Perhaps you can tell me who is grandstanding in 60 odd countries including Spain, Hong Kong and India which have banned travel from the UK?

Because this is freight and the drivers are mostly from the EU

Spangler Wed 23-Dec-20 13:35:36

There doesn't seem to be any delays on the Irish ferry routes.

Casdon Wed 23-Dec-20 13:37:03

He’s not grandstanding, this country would have done exactly the same if a virulent mutation was announced by the French, or any other government. It was for 48 hours to give them time to decide what to do about it.

Rosalyn69 Wed 23-Dec-20 13:53:08

I’m pretty sure M Macron is grandstanding. He saw an opportunity to put the knife in over Brexit and took it. Hopefully it will backfire on him.
A lot of those truckers are from all over Europe and trying to do their job and get home. I feel for them. It must be awful.

rosie1959 Wed 23-Dec-20 13:59:02

I wonder if all the stranded drivers agree with Macron and think he is right I am sure they are all enjoying their extended stay
I believe our country would have brought them back then tested them here at their home destination

Urmstongran Wed 23-Dec-20 14:35:09

I’m with you on this kitty. Macron is grandstanding.

It seems that Macron may have acted with Brussels to bring pressure, which has backfired when they realised that the only stuck drivers were from the EU and not the UK.

The testing is a farcical face saver for Macron as France already has the new strain of Covid, but so far they have not carried out as many tests as the UK. It may well even have come from France!

Whitewavemark2 Wed 23-Dec-20 14:43:59

It doesn’t matter whether Macron is grandstanding or not.

The point is being made at all levels.

He has closed the borders because France (apparently unlike the U.K. ) is sovereign

He has closed the border to try and get a handle on the new variant

He has closed the border because he is pissed of with Johnson who a few days ago threatened him with gun boats

He closed the border to show people what a no deal would begin to look like.

I’m sure lots of other reasons.

But he did it because he could.

felice Wed 23-Dec-20 14:45:47

If you mean did he act with the European Commission then say it.
Belgium also closed it's borders so did the Netherlands, they are Sovereign nations and can all close borders if they feel they have a reason.
Brussels is a City not an institution and why should we not protect ourselves, you were all quick of the mark to moan about people not being stopped from entering the UK. Now the boot is on the other foot you are still moaning.
Also remember each of those lorries is carrying freight out of the UK, if it does not reach it's destination it will be UK suppliers who will suffer. There are clauses in ever separate contract about this, as I said in a previous post my SIL is going to carry a heavy loss through this and be unable to furnish customers in the EU too.

Oopsadaisy1 Wed 23-Dec-20 14:48:41

But we didn’t stop people entering the U.K. did we?

And it’s because the goods are from the U.K. that Macron has done this.

beverly10 Wed 23-Dec-20 14:51:49

Macron throwing his toys out of the pram.What next?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 23-Dec-20 14:54:05

I expect too that Macron is also aware of our crap testing system.

He is showing up every inadequate thing in the U.K.

Because he can.

Smileless2012 Wed 23-Dec-20 14:55:14

I'm sure it matters to those who wont be home in time for Christmas WW2.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 23-Dec-20 14:57:09

Of course it does. My heart goes out to them.

Smileless2012 Wed 23-Dec-20 14:58:43

I think he's showing himself up more than "showing up every inadequate thing in the UK" as everything is being done to get those poor lorry drivers tested so they can go home.

Oh, and let's not forget the accommodation that will be provided for those to self isolate here if they test positive. Not bad for such an inadequate country is it.

mokryna Wed 23-Dec-20 15:03:59

Think about if France had this new virus, what would the UK do to delay or stop it entering and infecting the public. Didn’t Wales try to do the same thing a week or so ago?

felice Wed 23-Dec-20 15:04:05

Surely one of the things this shows up is that the UK are not prepared for next Saturday and onwards.
They have concentrated almost solely on the Dover to Calais crossing and now we see the result.
I remember plans being mooted to expand Folkestone and other Channel ports.
There has been plenty of time to do this and Calais is not the only EU port on the Channel ?????

Pantglas2 Wed 23-Dec-20 15:22:21

“But he did it because he could.” WWMK2

And we all know that “just because we can, doesn’t mean we should”.

As stated by my great leader, Drakeford.

The idiot who stopped everyone in Wales going to the safely distanced pub for a drink - which meant in South Wales they all congregated unsafely in their own houses and put the whole of Wales in Tier 4 within a fortnight.....

There are none so blind as the politically biased.

Urmstongran Wed 23-Dec-20 15:29:02

Hopefully semantics now.
Breaking News:
The EU say a trade deal is IMMINENT and may be announced ‘as early as today’
?
Woohoo!

GrannyGravy13 Wed 23-Dec-20 15:30:29

I have just seen that Urmstongran it’s being reported by Reuters, Sky and BBC ?

Jaberwok Wed 23-Dec-20 15:36:59

The mayor of Calais did threaten a Falklands situation! those gunboats would be needed in that situation!

Blossoming Wed 23-Dec-20 15:46:19

What is a “Falklands situation” please?

Mamie Wed 23-Dec-20 15:55:25

If Macron were grandstanding would he not need a domestic audience? I read the French newspapers and watch the television news every day and I am not seeing anti-British feeling. Nor am I hearing it from friends and neighbours. If people are seeing and hearing this, then I would be very interested to hear which French language sources they are using? The lunchtime news today had reporters at Dover and whilst they were talking to angry lorry drivers, it was a very fair and balanced report.
It seems to me that all the bile and xenophobia is coming from the UK gutter press.

seamstress Wed 23-Dec-20 15:56:07

So Macron only closed the border as a sovereign nation because of "grandstanding", but all the other 60 countries have closed their borders because...? no-one has answered this satisfactorily. Yes, French decision has had greater immediate impact in terms of freight, but surely they all closed their borders because of Cover concerns.

seamstress Wed 23-Dec-20 15:56:27

Covid concerns