Sometimes I am ashamed

Those MP's are not fit to hold office Maw.

Yes, Maw I agree with you. I could not believe it when I read this news item and saw the placards.

These activists are destroying their own cause by instigating mon violence like this, because it is mob violence and I think many named opponents of this movement lives would have been in real danger had they be seen in the area.

If these people were from any other group they would be denounced as terrorists and treated accordingly. The rampant misogyny behind the trans agenda is terrifying, yet politicians of all stripes are falling over themselves to be seen to be supportive.

It’s good that police have launched an inquiry- let’s see if anything comes of it. I won’t be holding my breath, but you never know.

One post from me before the massed ranks of the perpetually offended arrive.

I'm not ashamed of my country.

I'm fizzing about that pathetic person with the placard, just as I was at the moron who posted on Twitter that someone should drive their car into the counter demonstration. The police are investigating it and anybody associated with it should be subject to the law on the matter.

However does it make me ashamed of my whole country? No. Because that would be ridiculous.

It’s quite frightening isn’t it. Even more so because there will be underlying support for the group by any who don’t condemn it outright or try to excuse it on the grounds that it’s only a small number who are involved.
Apart from the threat to females, the damage this does to the public perception of all trans, including nonviolent trans, is ignored by this group.

Surely that is spreading hate, and inciting violence? Which is illegal.

Or doesn't it count for those in the "be kind" trans movement? 🙄

Funny how the "kind" people are those doing all the harassment, cancelling and threatening.🙁

You are ashamed MAW but I’m frightened for my young granddaughter and all young girls. We are going backwards to putting women in a closed society. Don’t these women with men’s tackle realise what they are doing to us.

But they’re just dickheads looking for publicity and getting it by the looks of things. Bunch of pathetic pinheads, you can’t judge a country by people like that.

I have told my grandkids (all grown) that if they feel they would be better off in another country to not look back
It has all gone beyond belief some hideous mind sets around full of hate and spite

Doodledog

If these people were from any other group they would be denounced as terrorists and treated accordingly. The rampant misogyny behind the trans agenda is terrifying, yet politicians of all stripes are falling over themselves to be seen to be supportive.

It’s good that police have launched an inquiry- let’s see if anything comes of it. I won’t be holding my breath, but you never know.

This.

nann8 but it isn’t just dickheads with hateful placards is it?
The real problem is that a bunch of SNP politicians are there supporting them.Add to that the crazy decisions by the Scottish parliament which are now being contested by Westminster.

Doodledog

If these people were from any other group they would be denounced as terrorists and treated accordingly. The rampant misogyny behind the trans agenda is terrifying, yet politicians of all stripes are falling over themselves to be seen to be supportive.

It’s good that police have launched an inquiry- let’s see if anything comes of it. I won’t be holding my breath, but you never know.

Indeed. Good post.

Why is this allowed and why would any MP wish to be associated with it? Surely it is a hate crime? If it identified a race and had these posters the police would be on it, confiscating the signs and arresting people (rightly). Why is this any different! I am also ashamed to see this kind of thing anywhere in the UK Maw. It is probably coming to a town near all of us all too soon.

Hadley Freeman, previously with The Guardian and now with The Sunday Times, wrote yesterday "The movement is underpinned by a frothing misogyny that is becoming all too visible to even the most casual observer"

I think many of us read about Rosie Duffield's experience of being jeered by men in her own party whilst addressing Parliament on Scotland's Bill, most notably by fellow MPs Ben Bradshaw and Lloyd Russell-Moyle, the latter crossed the floor of the house to sit in the Conservative benches so he could stare fixedly at Conservative MP Miriam Cates who also spoke about the threats the bill poses to women's dignity and safety. Russell Moyle called Cate's speech "disgusting" and added a finger wagging "you should be ashamed"

Hadley Freeman in her article went on to write "Gender activism has become the permissible face of misogyny for a certain kind of allegedly progressive man, it gives them latitude to call women derogatory names and make spittle flecked videos insisting that anyone who has a problem with male born people in women only spaces is on the wrong side of history. The effect is men's rights activism but the energy is very incel"

nanna8

But they’re just dickheads looking for publicity and getting it by the looks of things. Bunch of pathetic pinheads, you can’t judge a country by people like that.

You can't, nanna8. And yes, they are a bunch of aggressive bullies, but the point is that politicians and public figures will not stand up to them or speak against them, and that, IMO, is shameful.

Without fail, when this topic is discussed on TV or radio (and even that is a recent development - until recently it came under the 'No Debate' mantra - the phrase 'most marginalised and vulnerable members of society' is trotted out, so make it sound as though objectors are puppy-kicking monsters. Do these people look marginalised and vulnerable? What does that phrase even mean? Yes, the TRAs are at the extreme end of the spectrum, and there are people who share some of their beliefs who are not remotely violent; but that is true of most causes which are supported by terrorists. Why is the law not applied to the extremists in this cause? How is it ok to threaten women?

Other pictures of the same rally show men cheering on other men who are dressed as women and railing at actual women who object to their spaces being colonised and their privacy removed*. You couldn't make it up. And of course this impacts on the cause of 'genuine' transpeople, and of course it shows that it is not 'kindness' that is driving this - it's far more sinister than that.

*I'm having issues with my screenshotting, but will try to sort it out and get the photo I mean (it's on Twitter) and post it.

I don't recognise my homeland either after seeing those placards. Those politicians need to speak out now in full support of the police investigation. I hope they will.

Well they already have so you can sleep peacefully in your bed.

I've sorted it! This is what I mean. The men are cheering one of their own (who is clearly a man who wants to be a woman), and shouting for the death of actual women who question this.

What is this other than misogyny?

As Nick Timothy in the Telegraph said today:

“trans women with a certificate must always be treated as women: allowed into single-sex spaces, such as changing rooms, prisons and schools; permitted to provide intimate care to female health patients; sanctioned to participate in women-only domestic violence shelters and rape crisis centres. With no meaningful safeguards stopping men acquiring the necessary certificates, and with them the right to enter women-only spaces, the scope for abuse is clear.”

I think it’s scary. A tiny minority are behind all this while the rest of us watch events unfold in horror.

Just coincidence that "the men" are Patrick Harvey, Ross Greer and Alex Cole Hamilton then?

When did Alex Cole Hamilton call for anybody's death? Doesn't sound like the kind of thing he'd do, with him being leader of the Lib Dems in Scotland, and all.

Exaggeration does nothing for the cause at hand, Doodledog

What have I exaggerated? I don't recognise the men. I am just saying what I see #catchphrase

I do. Most people in Scotland will. So perhaps a bit of knowledge rather than knee-jerk reaction would help your case a bit?

Did you see then (hear them?) calling for the death of women?

Get real Doodledog.

What volver says. Ditto.

Being disgusted with the behaviour of some individuals is nothing new and it is not the same as shame. There is a lot to be proud of in the UK. The SNP's Gender Recognition Reform Bill and everything associated with its extremeness is not one of those things.

In my opinion the SNP’s Gender Recognition Bill is a win win for all misogynists.