Grammar

In fact it is old fashioned - remember 'Just William'?

Firstly as a retired teacher I find Angela Rayner more interested in education and the welfare of state educated pupils than many of the Education ministers of the last few decades. As has been previously explained, she is very aware of her own shortcomings and lack of education.
Secondly I have seen many teenagers with problems, some have turned to alcohol or drugs, some have been abused, some thrown out of the home for reasons that simply aren't their fault. People of our generations should know better than to make sweeping generalisations about those on the streets, based on nothing except what is written in the unsubstantiated articles of the right wing press.

What about 'my bad'. Whatever does that mean? Does it mean 'I am bad' or what? It pops up every now and again and infuriates me as it is just so wrong.

"Bored of" still makes me wince every time, though it's almost current usage now. Also trains or aeroplanes arriving "into" their destination rather than "at".

Are you sure it was an unscripted interview? wrote instead of written sounds suspiciously like the kind of corrections that Microsoft word spell checker or grammar check makes!

And someone who is aware that her own schooling wasn't the best probably does follow Microsoft's incorrect corrections!

These posts sound more about snobbery than pedantry.

Wonder what it's going to be like for students leaving college and going for an interview.
Some of them speak gibberish, dem and dat and cool etc.
Should be interesting.

"The play what I wrote."


I always thought it was 'The play wot I wrote'
It was Ernie wot always did the writting

I see that Angela Rayner is from Stockport - perhaps the term 'have wrote' is a colloquialism in that area? I have a friend from Manchester who, even at our relatively advanced age, still always says 'likkle' and 'hospikkal'. I have noticed also that some Bristolians say 'I was led on the bed'
(Led by whom I wonder )

Like it or not, we assess people by the way they speak and also how they look.
Jeremy Corbyn has learnt this lesson and looks a lot smarter and more like a prime minister than he used to.
Yes, I do think that grammar matters.

Just as an aside. Some large employers, especially in the London area, assess people at interview, not only by the way they speak ( grammar not accent) but by their appropriate dress and table manners. ( some interviews being conducted over lunch etc) It all matters to someone

Just come across this headline on an American entertainment site. "Kit Harington Bursted Into Tears During "Game of Thrones" Finale Table Read" !!!

Different world Different times- but such cold cold hearts. What has happened to make some so judgemental and disapproving.

Hooty - you made me laugh. Ta-oo! Isn't that known as the Cockney glottal stop? My lovely Grandad was a Cockney (born within the sound of Bow Bells) and he spoke like that, bless 'im.

I couldn't agree more blueskies.

You have to ask about the insecurities of the people making these comments. Why do they need to be surrounded only by those who know how to live by the rules they understand?

I can only praise the drive Angela Rayner has had in her life. Her speech doesn't matter to me, it's the thoughts behind what she is saying that does. Corbyn, it seems to me, has understood the insecurities so many seem to have and has adapted to make them feel comfortable.

Angela Rayner aspires to be Secretary of State for Education., that is why it matters.

I doubt that anyone who thinks that a Shadow Secretary of State for Education 'must try harder' is insecure.

Angela Rayner is 37 - perhaps she was taught at a time when grammar was considered to be 'unfashionable' and teachers did not bother to correct mistakes made by pupils.

Yes, I heard AR on the Today programme. I felt like sending an email telling her to write out 100 times 'He wrote, he has written'.

I am more concerned about her alleged support for Jared O'Mara than about her poor grammar.

Why eazybee? The only thing she needs is to be a citizen of this country or are we going down the some citizen's are more equal than other citizen's route.

She could have learnt correct grammar by now, even if she did have a poor education. It isn’t a virtue to speak badly or get basic grammar wrong, whatever your origins.

I can't bear the replacing of x with g, as in 'lugury' items , or Bregxit'.

Dropping the final g of words used to be the prerogative of the upper classes – that is, those who indulged in huntin', shootin' and fishin', don't y'know.

Good God, calling people judgemental and cold hearted for having standards? That is exactly the kind of namby pamby thinking that has caused the drop in educational standards we are currently seeing!

Sorry everyone 'my bad' it was Eric & Ernie not the Two Ronnies. Well said Nanna58 this is a thread for pedants not the faint hearted. ☺