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nanabird Thu 20-Apr-17 22:18:45

I've been married to my husband for 23 years. I have 3 daughters from my first marriage and my hubby is a great Dad to them and a good Grandad. I'm 66 and my husband is 68.. My husband worked away at a well known large music festival over several years. He seemed to enjoy the challenge and it did bring in much needed money in the bank. In 2009 he came home unable to string 2 sentences together, I nearly called our GP, in retrospect I wish I had. He seemed a bit better a day later, he had given me a bouquet of flowers, a lovely present and booked us out for dinner on the Saturday night. On the Sunday he asked me to sit down as he wanted to talk to me. He said he wanted to leave me and wanted a divorce. My world fell apart I became hysterical for the first time in my life. I drove my car several villages away and then stopped and phoned him. Over the next weeks I received solicitors letters, I found a solicitor too. I said I didn't want us to part, we talked but he was adamant. He left me alone part of Christmas, he went missing on 2 occasions at night. His elder daughter got married and I wasn't invited. He stayed overnight without telling me, I was supportive to this stepdaughter for many years, as she had lots of problems. I felt so hurt and bewildered. At this time we still shared a bed and sex continued, since I still loved him I saw no reason to turn away. One day my solicitor asked me if H and I were still intimate, I said yes, he had a letter from my H's solicitors to say we had lived apart for 6 months! If ladies you have read this far,thank you. After months of talking trying to make things better, H decided not to leave. I put up with some difficult behaviour fully believing he had suffered some sort of nervous breakdown. Since that time I've had counselling, we have been to Relate together and some of it helped. He says he loves me and I still love him. BUT, from 2009 till now he clearly doesn't want to make love/ have sex with me. We used to be perfect together as lovers and I'm feeling as time goes on more and more upset. I feel so rejected and have tried talking about this with him and get no where. We cuddle, hold hands sometimes kiss. For my 60 Birthday I arranged a lovely trip to Italy, every night he rolled over in bed and said goodnight I hope you sleep well. Romantic settings make no difference. I've asked him to see our GP to have his testosterone levels checked. He hasn't. He did see our GP reluctantly as I made an appointment to check he was not heading for Althziemers like his late Mum. He had a follow up with the mental health nurses, they thought he was suffering from depression linked to bereavement. Then he was sent to see a clinical physiologist, who was useless saw him a few times and that was that. I have invested in the farm diversification to conversions for holiday lets, with the last lump of family money I had put away for my/ our retirement. I now see my retirement stretching out before me as a glorified mrs. mop and housekeeper. I'm at the end of my tether and don't know where to turn. I don't want to just live with him as a friend. Can a lot of his feelings be affected by stress? We have had money problems for years, that's why I invested in the farm hoping that would help. I realise now that in the past he has been economic with the truth about our finances. Might things get better as we now can develop another holiday apartment if he is less stressed about money or am I clutching at straws?

Starlady Sat 22-Apr-17 05:35:12

But your op covers a lot of ground, so some more thoughts... Did the psychologist agree that he suffers from depression? And why did the nurses mention "bereavement?" Did he suffer a loss in 2009 or thereabouts? If he's suffering from depression, then he may need to be on meds.

How do you know that "everything is in working order" if he hasn't had sex with you in 8 years? Personally, I think the problem is more emotional than physical, but how do you know, for sure, what's going on down there?

If it's not health-related in any way, then maybe it's time to let him go? Imo, you should have done it 8 years ago. But it's never to late to build a new life for yourself and find true happiness again. Think about it.

BlueBelle Sat 22-Apr-17 06:38:52

If you read through your original post Nanabird everything has been initiated by you you arranged a romantic holiday in Italy, you arranged a GP appointment which he didn't want You made an appointment with the mental health nurse and psychologist You invested in a farm to make him stay The man wanted to leave in 2009 he was very insistent he even used a solicitor, but you talked him down and after all this time he has given up for a quiet life (my personal thoughts haven't changed, something big happened at the festival and it was most probably an affair that then fizzled out and without the 'other' woman or man behind him he faded down to your pushing and stays for a quiet and convienent life)

He sounds a ' do it for a quiet life man' he also sounds as if he has great love and care for you but is no longer in love a big difference He is a nice companion but if you want the spark back I think you're banging your head at the proverbial brick wall. If you haven't had sex in 8 years he's either completely lost interest or is seeing others It's as blank as that I hope your talk with him gives you some clues but I somehow doubt it you are spending all your energies trying to prove he is ill, mentally Ill, depressed, has erectile dysfunction, stressed with money problems, anything but face the possible truth

Eight years is madly enough, either settle for a great companion and friend (and there's a lot to be said for that in later life) or get back to that solicitor and opt for a divorce you can't say you haven't tried !

Good luck Nanabird

NfkDumpling Sat 22-Apr-17 07:24:34

Eight years ago he hit 60. Went to a festival with all young, beautiful, energetic people and hit 60. Could account for a lot. Has he been since?

downtoearth Sat 22-Apr-17 08:12:20

Just a thought has he been given antidepressants...I know for a fact that these can cause lack of libido and erectile dysfunction....my lovely OH suffered from depression 18 months ago and is taking the medication still....I have been on ADs for 12 years.. it certainly dampens the thought and need....good luck I still remember that awful time when he didnt know what was happening to him and neither did I...it was a cold lonely placeflowers

radicalnan Sat 22-Apr-17 09:51:58

Sad that this man has been put through his paces to establish what you would consider a valid reason for celibacy, why can't he have a choice is this matter without a medical excuse?

He says he loves you, is still with you although he made a break for freedom he aquiecsed to your pleas to continue the marriage, which he seems to be doing admirably except for the sex. Plenty of marriages are celibate all the time, many grow celibate over time, he has as much right to a choice as you do.

If you don't like that leave, find some stud who will satisfy your every whim, seems this guy has been emasculated anyway, dragged about to experts because you want sex and he doesn't.

Imagine the uproar of a woman was subjected to this treatment of being unable to decline sex unless an expert gave her an excuse.

Maybe he did use drugs or have wild sex with someone else or discover he was gay, he is entitled to all of those things just as you are entitled to leave if you want to.

You don't however have the right to demean him with various appointments because he has the temerity not to fancy you anymore. Nothing would put me off sex with someone more, than being hawked around the professionals looking for a label that would excuse me from having to perform at command.

Life is long, trying to fancy the same person over time is tough, like Christmas every day and opening the same present. Leave the poor sod alone and get on Tinder plenty of men on there happy to use you if sex is your priority.

Would you love him if he were ill and not able to perform sexually? If that is the case be very careful you could end up on you own......

Persistentdonor Sat 22-Apr-17 10:03:50

Oh dear, sounds all a bit of a tangle. Poor Nanabird!

I would agree that something major happened in 2009, but to be brutal, festival spells drugs to me.... and the story, quote: "In 2009 he came home unable to string 2 sentences together, I nearly called our GP, in retrospect I wish I had. He seemed a bit better a day later.." sounds to me as if he might have [inadvertantly] taken something that caused a really bad reaction and all the rest could very easily spring from there.

Hugs and flowers to Nanabird. Only you can decide what you need to do.

Caro1954 Sat 22-Apr-17 10:05:25

I'm so sorry about all of this. You seem to have a lot of positives as well as the negatives so maybe try to balance things a bit? Men do take the line of least resistance while we fret and worry and try to fix things. I hope the talk goes well and that you find some peace afterwards.

Mal44 Sat 22-Apr-17 10:07:59

Hello this is my first post but ajanela hit the right note.Do we ever truly know the person we have shared our life with for nearly 50 years?
I am very sorry for you nanabird but you have struggled with your feelings for many years and if you want to go forward you must leave the past behind.Life is so very short!

Cath9 Sat 22-Apr-17 10:17:41

As I have the same feelings as many others about seeing someone else when away.
So I fear all I can say is to wish you good luck in whatever happens as it seems you will definitely need it. Try and think ahead for yourself as it seems you have been doing and look after yourself.
My brother just walked away from his second wife without any word beforehand. She has got over it so I hope you will also.

No matter what good luck,

Tessa101 Sat 22-Apr-17 10:18:27

I sympathise with you rejection is a hard pill to swallow. And I'm sorry to say I agree with Bluebell it most definately points to he's met and fallen for someone else, I think you are going to waste a lot of your time trying to rekindle what you had, cos as hard as it is,it doesn't sound like he wants what you want.Start taking a step back and building a life for yourself and being your own person and he may start to notice you again. Hugs and flowers flowers

Livey Sat 22-Apr-17 10:22:39

I have lived in a sex less marriage for the majority of married life. So I understand completely how you feel.We did divorce for some years but got together again but things never changed.Even our 2nd wedding night we spent in separate beds
Like your H I know he does love me but we live like siblings rather than a married couple. So you are not alone in your situation and my heart goes out to you. It is a lonely existent especially when friends are obviously having a normal marriage
My advice would be you are young enough to start again and if you feel strong enough and the family will support you get out now. For me it is too late as I am in my 70s but you have life before you please live it
Hugs and love

Coco51 Sat 22-Apr-17 10:27:56

There is no place more lonely than being in a relationship that isn't working. I stuck in an unhappy marriage for 16 years because divorce didn't happen in our family. I felt so hurt and rejected. There were a lot of financial squabbles when we finally split, but the independence I gained was a breath of fresh air. Take your courage and tell your other half that you cannot continue with the way things are and mean it. If he doesn't want to meet you half way, there is no point in prolonging your unhappiness and you will be free to pursue your own friendships and perhaps, in time, another close relationship. Good
luck.

luluaugust Sat 22-Apr-17 10:38:55

I am sorry but I think this relationship was over when he was 'adamant' about wanting a divorce, why not check things out with a Solicitor and start to think about yourself a lot more, he has made his position clear really and you have run round trying to sort him out for too long. flowers

Gardenman99 Sat 22-Apr-17 10:41:57

I am self employed in my 60s working as a jobbing gardener / handy man. Whist working at one of my regular customers houses the husband came into the garden and asked if we could have a private chat. He wanted to know if my wife was bisexual because he said his wife was and 'it would be great if the ladies could meet and become close friends' I was somewhat taken aback by his question and what he was telling me. He then went on to say if that was not possible he would pay me £150 per week to have sex with his wife!! He explained that they had been married 34 years and although he still loved her and they slept in the same bed he did not want sex with her any-more because he was gay and he was seeing other men and he did not fancy his wife sexually and in any event as he was having unprotected sex he did not think it right to have sex with wife as well. I am not saying all this applies to your situation but strange things do come about. This gentleman said his wife does not have a clue he is gay.

MawBroon Sat 22-Apr-17 10:43:19

Has somebody suggested this already, but was the "experience" in 2009 a homosexual one? Perhaps he has realised he is gay, which would not negate feelings of love and affection, but his confused sexuality would undermine your marriage as it was.

MawBroon Sat 22-Apr-17 10:45:12

X'd posts garden man.
But why doe your post make me wonder...hmm

Kitspurr Sat 22-Apr-17 10:49:45

nanabird sorry that you're going through this, it's awful and I speak from experience. I was living a similar life for many years. I was left on several occasions, but managed to persuade him to stay with me. I wish I hadn't bothered, as years later he has now left me permanently. He was seeing other women, he said that he wasn't having sex with them, they were just friends, but I don't believe that. As BlueBelle said, he'd checked out many years ago and I should have just accepted that.

Nobody here knows what your H has been doing and why he's behaving towards you the way he is, but it does sound so similar to someone who's had or is having an affair. Sorry to say that.

If I were you, I'd go to a solicitor or CAB and tell them everything relevant so that you know what your position is if you decide to separate.

Tale care of yourself.

yulle87 Sat 22-Apr-17 10:59:00

This is a sad story and you have had a very tough time. Maybe it is time to relax and take stock. Look on the positive side. You have a husband who says he loves you. He is good to you, not violent or abusive, he is healthy and fit, reasonably young and on the whole you get on well. He may feel under pressure to have sex and the more you insist, the less he will feel like it. Why not tell him that you understand and you are not really interested yourself any longer . Even play a bit hard to get, Perhaps that will make him feel more relaxed and therefore more loving. If that does not work, take a lover! Or at least pretend. Human nature is strange, the more we feel something or somebody islipping away, the more we want it. Good luck and cheer up. ?

inishowen Sat 22-Apr-17 11:15:27

Could he have picked up a sexually transmitted disease,maybe having sex with someone at the festival? Not a nice thought, but it would explain why he won't have sex with you. Something major happened while he was away. What is he hiding?

Lizzyathome12 Sat 22-Apr-17 11:28:04

I wasted 16 years in a loveless marriage and then my husband became seriously ill and I looked after him until he died. In retrospect I wish that I had divorced him earlier and given both of us a chance of happiness. Sadly once celibacy becomes the norm I think it is hard to change the situation. It sounds as if you have tried really hard but maybe it is time to consider your options. Self esteem is really important. Good luck!

Lewlew Sat 22-Apr-17 11:43:09

It may well be time to start over for both of them, but I have to say in Nanabird's defence that she had every right to fight for her marriage if she loves her husband.

I do take exception to the attitude that if you are no longer 'in love', then there's no point. A happy sex life in mature years can be about comfort and bonding... orgasms are not always guaranteed as our 'kit' gets older and the trip up nirvanna mountain gets difficult with medications and aching joints! All the more reason we value them.

flowers

annifrance Sat 22-Apr-17 11:43:58

I see radicalnan has reverted to type and been her usual demeaning and unkind self towards someone on a real downer. Or is she another chauvinist male masquerading on this site.

Nanabird there is nothing more liberating than leaving a relationship that is not working, despite all your efforts. Good luck with whatever the future holds for you.

MawBroon Sat 22-Apr-17 12:19:18

I think radicalnan has expressed a valid and plausible response to the issue. It's not flowers and "there, there" but not unkind or aggressive.
This may have a variety of underlying causes but Op's DH's wishes must come into the equation too.
Nanabird raises more than one issue however, sexual disinclination/mental change/marriage breakdown/finances and it might be best for OP to consider them separately.
Yes stress can affect sexual function, possibly one of the major factors.
I suspect Nanabird you are clutching at straws, hoping that fixing one area will fix them all. Despite all our (unqualified) opinions and input, you need to consult the professionals.
Counselling? Relate?

Teddy123 Sat 22-Apr-17 12:22:46

nanabird I hope today's 'chat' enables you to perhaps spell out to him that you clearly still want a sexual relationship with him. No sex is fine for some couples ..... But they must both be agreeable to this arrangement.

I'm a cynic so think he's had affairs ..... It's unusual for sex to disappear quite so abruptly ..... It might tail off a bit!!

Viagra! Could that be the answer ....

Anyway whatever the reason he owes it to you to fully explain such a dramatic change in his behaviour! And I think you deserve a full and frank discussion with him. I hope you're successful in resolving the problem.

starbird Sat 22-Apr-17 12:37:11

If he has given up the Festival scene, he could be bored being at home, as well as depressed. Perhaps he needs new interests, maybe even a part time job. You are still both relatively young.

As for the holiday lets, perhaps you need to consider if it is worth hanging onto the property if this is the only way you can manage.