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Luckygirl Fri 28-Dec-18 14:46:35

I have a SisIL whom I find very difficult indeed.

Back story is that OH had very little to do with his family - tolerated them if they visited, but did not initiate contact; and I stopped encouraging him to make contact quite early in our marriage as I decided he was an adult and could choose to make contact or not. So - not a close family at all.

Fast forward a bit and SIL invites her (now widowed) father to go and live with them abroad. This caused a few raised eyebrows as she was known not to get on with him at all. After a year or so, she got fed up with him and rang us to say he was coming back to UK and would be arriving on X date (transport had been arranged). There was nowhere else for him to go but to us.

I later found out that he had contributed a substantial amount of money to their home abroad and some renovations there. It felt a bit as though he had outlived his usefulness there, so she ditched him on us, poor chap. The story was that he was "dying" so how could we refuse? - when he arrived it was perfectly obvious that this was not the case at all. (He went on to live another 5-6 years).

Having him in our home was a nightmare - OH barely spoke to him etc. In the end it was I who had to just say to him that it was not working out and we needed to get him back to his home town. I expended a great deal of effort getting him suitable accommodation there and we moved him back.

When he died some years later, we arranged all the funeral etc. and SIL came over from abroad, arrived before we did, sifted through his house and took everything she wanted; then left us to clear everything else and deal with house sale etc. immediately the funeral ended.

One of the things I cleared out was FIL's laptop, from the contents of which I discovered correspondence with him from SIL relating to his will and suggesting he leave everything to the GC and bypass us (and to be fair also her) as we "have plenty of money." This is not the case as, due to serious illness, OH had to leave full time work at the age of 42, and this had a detrimental effect on his pension. But she neither asked us, nor told us what she had proposed to him. He died before changing his will in fact.

So.....there she is - not someone I know particularly well, but one who has dropped us in it a few times.

She now wishes to make contact with OH, her brother, as he has an incurable illness. Fair enough - I would not stand in her way, and could see she might want to mend fences. But.......she organised to come one weekend and said she would stay for one night and that I did not need to bother about making food as she would bring it all and make it. Fine. She arrived with a cake - just the one cake! - nothing else - and stayed two nights!

She then arranged another visit, which I had to cancel a few days before it was planned as we both had flu. Her reply to this was the most spiteful vitriolic email imaginable - about how typical it was of me trying to prevent her seeing her brother! - in whom she had shown zilch interest for decades! And how angry she was with me. I was gobsmacked! I replied very firmly indeed, telling her this was entirely inappropriate and unacceptable.

A few months later she wanted to come again and said that she and her partner would stay in a B&B and just pop in to see us both. Fine. She arrives complete with dog! - she knows how we feel about dogs in our home and garden but thought she could manipulate us into agreeing to have the dog in the house once she got here. I refused to budge- she then tried to manipulate my sick OH into agreeing - by this time I am seething! I had decided that I would be sweetness and light and just grin and bear the visit; but TBH I found I could not do this - not proud of that, but life is pretty stressful here and I could just do without it. So, I spent most of their visit busily doing the garden and left her to talk to her brother.

She now wants to come again - she rang when I was out, and said she was planning to ask my DD to put them up. Now, I know that my DD and family (they run their own business) are going to be crazily busy during the month she is coming and also that they too do not like dogs in the house. I had a word with DD and said she must say no if it is too much for them.

The time for the visit is drawing near and I have no doubt that I will hear soon she has rung DD to ask to say. I find myself absolutely dreading this visit and thinking of just making sure I am not around any more than I have to be to keep OH looked after. I spent my working life dealing with some of life's most damaged and difficult people and coped just fine. Why is this blessed woman my Waterloo? Why can I not rise above this?

Sorry for the long spiel - I feel better getting it off my chest - I cannot have these discussions with OH.

Baggs Fri 28-Dec-18 14:56:43

Oh, LG, I'm so sorry about this. Sorry I can't do or say anything to help but I do sympathise with how you feel. In short, how Bloody Annoying! flowers

FarNorth Fri 28-Dec-18 14:58:43

Does your OH have a view about his sister and her visits?

Fennel Fri 28-Dec-18 15:00:02

Oh dear Luckygirl shock.
It looks at first reading that SiL realises it's her own problem and doesn't know how to deal with it. She still has family feelings towards her brother, and feels guilty she's left it so late.
So projects the blame onto you.
I would just stay in the background as much as possible and let her get on with it. I hope your husband is strong enough to cope with her feelings.

crazyH Fri 28-Dec-18 15:02:35

Let me say this......I have a s.i.l. who has always stood between my brother and us. He is 90 years old and every time I plan to visit, she gives some excuse or the other. They live a 5 hour drive away. She is sweet as pie on the phone.
BUT, there is no point in trying to visit. My brother has been programmed to keep us away. When I rang him in the summer and said I would like to see him, he said "why, I am not dying". Where has sibling love gone? He is much, much older than me and we didn't actually grow up together. I was the youngest of nine and there's only him and me left. Well, that's my story....by no means am I drawing any comparison ....no money, no 'will' involved.

lemongrove Fri 28-Dec-18 15:09:14

Families eh?
At least she really does seem to want to see your OH though.
If it’s not often that’s a blessing!

Nonnie Fri 28-Dec-18 15:21:02

No advice, just sympathy. flowers

Luckygirl Fri 28-Dec-18 15:22:50

My OH wishes to see her, and that is fine. I would not stand in their way - absolutely not.

He knows a little of what went on. I told him she had been angry that we had had to cancel one of her visits because we were both ill, and that she wrote me an inappropriate email. He has never seen this, nor asked to. It takes every ounce of his energy to get through the day - he avoids anything that he knows he will find difficult, and that is fine - I understand that.

Life is stressful here and it seems that this lady is just the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I bash on, skating on thin ice sometimes, but on the whole am able to keep my head above water - but this lady just tips me over the edge.

Thanks for supportive words.

Buffybee Fri 28-Dec-18 15:29:17

You mentioned that your Oh had little to do with his family and only tolerated any visit from them, so how does he feel about the visits from his sister?
If he's not in complete agreement for her to visit, perhaps he or you should tell her.
I would advise your Dd to decline putting them up on their next visit. How well does she even know this Aunt if you've never had much to do with them.
She sounds very pushy, I would be pushing back firmly the other way.
Some people are so thick skinned that they will walk all over people who are too polite to say no.
Just say, No!

Luckygirl Fri 28-Dec-18 15:34:50

You are right that she is thick-skinned! And I am not, which is why I find her so hard. OH does wish to see her I think - but he would not say no even if he didn't - but I do really think he does.

She does not have to deal with the day-by-day difficulties or the complete insanity that his drugs have induced in the past and of which I was on the receiving end. And which I know could return. She just swans in and turns on the charm, then swans off again. Grrr!

Buffybee Fri 28-Dec-18 15:36:39

Oh! Just seen your post that your Oh does want to see her.
Well in that case, just make yourself scarce when she's there.
Just rise above it, as they say! wineflowers

EllanVannin Fri 28-Dec-18 15:37:55

The main reason that you won't let rip at this woman is because it's your H's sister. Loyalty does sometimes get in the way unfortunately because feeling like a coiled spring isn't good for anyone.
You can't help the way you are but I wish you well.

starbird Fri 28-Dec-18 15:50:38

I am sorry about your OH and wish you strength to deal with it. I hope you have some good friends around you. It must also be hard for you DD.

You do not say how Fil left his money. I do not wish to cast aspersions but is there any chance your SIL is hoping for some money from your husband, although I cannot see how she could expect to.

If not it must be a genuine regret at losing the last of her blood relatives. If your OH is happy to see her you can only grin and bear it and try to be charitable. Perhaps having to face up to death of a sibling has made her review her own life and she is trying to make amends.

Don’t let her stay longer than you can bear it, or against OH wishes. This must be a precious time for you and OH to be together, on the other hand would you not enjoy talking to SIL and hearing stories about your OH’s childhood?

Can you suggest she leaves her dog and husband behind?

janeainsworth Fri 28-Dec-18 16:15:59

Luckygirl It’s very different dealing with difficult people in a professional capacity from dealing with them if they’re family.
At a professional level, you can turn off the emotional response button.
Almost impossible with family, but that’s what you must try to do.

I think it’s very unreasonable of her to expect your DD to accommodate her, given your DD’s busy life as well as the dog problem (with which I sympathise). Presumably there is no problem with SiL finding a B&B or a Premier Inn, like everyone else does.
So support your DD in saying no, and don’t feel obliged to offer more than minimal hospitality (I’d suggest tea and biscuits) yourself.
Hope that helps. flowers

allsortsofbags Fri 28-Dec-18 16:19:28

From your post it's clear that you are a strong, capable person who is used to digging deep and getting on with what's got to be done.

That said how you go forward with SiL's visit will be up to you but ...

Do you still have the nasty email she sent you?

Because if you do I'd give serious thought to showing it to your OH.

I read what you'd said about he hasn't asked to see it and he avoids the difficult things in life. Also that you want to keep him safe.

However, let me put this in the mix.

You have looked after him for all these years, his health, his well being, his sate of mind and probably all the practical stuff of life and running a family. And More I'm guessing.

My Question to you is HOW Has HE Looked After YOU.

Yes that's right. How has he looked after you.

Be very clear about this question and your answer.

How has he made sure that you had as Little to Worry about, Get Stressed about and get Sick about???

I know he's not well but even so he has capabilities that he can use to Support You - to Share the Decisions needed in life ?

Don't tell yourself he's no good at making decisions.

He has agreed to see his sister. It's a Choice - It's a Decision.

And you OH, as ill as he is and wanting to avoid difficulties, agreed to see his sister. He did that. He made a choice, he made that decision.

However, he is NOT Choosing to Take Care of YOU. And after ALL that you have done YOU DESERVE to BE CARED FOR Too.

Sorry about the shouty but some times we need to be shown what others can see and we miss because we are all out getting through the day.

Show you OH the email, tell him it's time someone gave some consideration to YOU.

It's time someone Took Care of YOUR Well Being.

You Do Not Need this Stress on top of daily life and it's difficulties.

If all your SIL wanted was to see her brother she would make arrangements to make her visit as stress free on you and your OH as possible.

Is she doing that??? From what you have written she is interested in causing disruption and damage to anyone.

Be very clear if your situation is as you have said (I'm sure you have been economical in the telling of your situation) she has more than visiting as her agenda.

You already know she has a disruptive, damaging agenda and you don't want that in your life. Who would.

Keep You Self Safe, in mind, in body in soul. Have as much peace as you can in your life and only let you SIL anywhere near your home, your life on YOUR TERMS.

You and what you want are worth making a fuss about. You may not be comfortable with the fuss but you are being destroyed by trying to keep the peace with people who don't want peace.

Good Luck and may you find the support and care you so richly deserve.

dragonfly46 Fri 28-Dec-18 16:22:54

So sorry to hear this Lucky. I am not thick skinned either and wonder how these people get away with it.
I would just make myself scarce if possible - I would be seething underneath.

janeainsworth Fri 28-Dec-18 16:30:50

However, he is NOT Choosing to Take Care of YOU. And after ALL that you have done YOU DESERVE to BE CARED FOR Too

I think you could have spared Lucky that, allsortsofbags.

kittylester Fri 28-Dec-18 16:35:32

Totally, totally inappropriate allsortsofbags.

Luckygirl Fri 28-Dec-18 16:40:10

I hear what is being said - but the situation is that he has been a caring partner in the past; but he is not able to do that now as he is so unwell. I accept that. It is not his fault.

mumofmadboys Fri 28-Dec-18 16:54:13

I would let your DD decide if her aunt stays with her. Why not invite your SIL for a simple meal and then you can leave your OH and his sister to catch up while you clear up. Be as charitable as possible. It is only a day and it will soon be over. Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

grannyactivist Fri 28-Dec-18 17:00:28

LuckyI quite understand the weight of personal relationships compared to professional ones - the emotional pull is very different when a) it's personal and b) she's coming into your home, which should be a 'safe space' for you.

I so admire your determination to do the very best you can for your husband and keep his stress to a minimum. Do what you need to do with the sister in law and come on here and rant away. flowers

seacliff Fri 28-Dec-18 17:15:30

How frustrating for you, to have to put up with "her", for the sake of your husband, she sounds a piece of work!! The good thing is, your husband likes to see his sister, and you are big enough to let that happen, in spite of your own feelings, because you love him.

I too would make myself scarce when she's around, just to protect yourself from being too upset by her. Try not to talk to her any more than you have to. Your DD may choose to put her up, as she too is doing the best for her Dad. Very hard for you, I hope venting on here may help a little. A punch bag might help flowers

FarNorth Fri 28-Dec-18 17:19:14

You have warned DD. Maybe you could remind her now that the visit is getting close, then leave her to make her own decision about how to respond if Aunt asks to stay.
You needn't worry about it any further.

Would it help to remind SiL beforehand that the dog is not welcome?

kittylester Fri 28-Dec-18 17:29:47

Lots of good advice here Lucky. In our family our daughters take it in turns to 'take one for the team' so it is up to your daughter to decide if she wants to do 'the right thing.

DH has a brother with a dog (!!!!) which we will not have in the house so we have recommended nearby kennels for it if they want to stay. We cite the fact that our cats would be traumatised!

Luckygirl Fri 28-Dec-18 17:35:54

It's me that would be traumatized by the dog!!! - and OH; he does not like them either. It is sound advice to remind her that the dog is not welcome - it will save a more difficult atmosphere when she arrives. But it will wind her up good and proper I am afraid.

mumofmadboys - I will be charitable, I have every time. But it is an emotional stress that is a step too far for me. The atmosphere is highly charged and I really do not need that. We just about cope as it is.

The concern about DD is that she is he epitome of kindness and finds it virtually impossible to say no to anyone. I hate to see her manipulated, but she is an adult and I have warned her what might be coming her way.