Struggling with my Christian belief

I’ve been a Christian for about 25 years. As Christians, we know we’re safe with God, Jesus gave us that assurance. However, I don’t think think the Bible is crystal clear on what happens to non Christians. Don’t forget, only God knows what is truly in another’s head/ heart, and He is a fair God. Your children/ grandchildren know you’re a Christian, and that is good witness in itself. I remember my granny had faith, and I may have scoffed at the time, but I did become a Christian eventually, and so might they. We pray every day for the non Christians in our family, ( two son in laws ). Our daughters faiths remain intact. Remember, you won’t be able to go....God won’t let you! God bless?

And then there was the penitent thief on the cross.

Far too many of the accepted teachings of Christian teachers/pastors/priests are not based upon the lessons of Christ, but are based upon ideas that developed in the early church based upon the views of Paul. Christ taught tolerance and love, Paul at times spoke of love, rarely of tolerance but often of hell and brimstone. So I do not believe that those good people who are not Christians are consumed to hell.

What did Christ say of the “heathan Samaritan? ". That he was close to God.

Don't worry about Hell, hapgran. This terrible world is hell enough for any deity who may wish to arrange for a hell. God is the personification of order and goodness. St Augustine said evil is absence of God.

PS We can all think of several lights in the darkness, perhaps some of them obscure persons known to few others.

The Doctrine of the Atonement makes sense in a non-supernatural way if Christ is not taken to be the unique son of God, but one of many other good men who sacrifice their own safety for the sake of humanity, or some other great good such as the natural environment.

The gnostic heresy has this advantage, that it implies no problem of evil.

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As I suspected, you were unable to answer to my question Gnostic; "by any who study the various ideologies" is not an answer.

You speak of "swollen egos", perhaps a look in a mirror may be in order.

I'm with you Greenfinch, there's nothing to be gained by giving oxygen to Gnostic's posts. Tonight I shall in my prayers thank God that I am a Christian and haven't been indoctrinated and corrupted by the ramblings of the Gnostic 'Christian ideology'.

I can now understand why St. John the apostle, walked out of the baths in Ephesus, when Cerinthus the early gnostic walked in.

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Thank you very much..Your last sentence shows you up for what you are.I shall no longer respond to you and your venomous unjust and unkind thoughts.I hope you get some peace from your beliefs though I doubt it.

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Gnostic God did not murder his Son.Jesus willingly gave himself up as an act of Atonement.It could be said that he deliberately brought about his own death by provoking the Jewish leaders.Remember he was a man of his times with the thought forms of those around him.He had a mission and he fulfilled it

Gnostic "Honesty seems hard to find in Christians, says Jesus". The first time the followers of Jesus were called Christians was in Antioch, where Barnabas and Paul taught. This was sometime after the death and resurrection of Jesus, so Jesus would never have used the term Christians.

See Acts 11 v 26.

"It was and is said that the only good Christians are Gnostic Christians and it is mostly true" really! by whom?

Smileless2012 Wed 09-Oct-19 09:29:00

"Being a Christian is not just a religion it's your personal relationship with God" yes it is marysmile."
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It is indeed, but you will note that if you go by the standard Jesus set for faith and belief in him, there are none with faith or belief.

Jesus said that those who had that could do all he could and more. No Christian has ever shown he has real faith of belief, if you go by what Jesus said.

Honesty seems hard to find in Christians, says Jesus.

Regards
DL

mary022 Wed 09-Oct-19 06:45:41

Being a Christian is not just a religion it's your personal relationship with God.

Religion can't change you, can't satisfy you but the Gospel require the true repentance. Touch and change your heart and turn away from evil ways and thoughts.
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You are correct to a point, but god is wise and for you to have the relationship you seek, you need the wisdom to understand him.

Your own bible tells you that if you want to perfect your wisdom on god, you have to get out of the Christian ideology.

You seem to be ignoring it.

Hebrews 6 King James Version; 1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Regards
DL

"Being a Christian is not just a religion it's your personal relationship with God" yes it is mary.

There's a difference of the Gospel which means Jesus and the Religion?

Being a Christian is not just a religion it's your personal relationship with God.

Religion can't change you, can't satisfy you but the Gospel require the true repentance. Touch and change your heart and turn away from evil ways and thoughts.

hapgran

If you are upset with the morals that Christianity holds, you are just showing you have a decent moral sense as compared to those who hold fast to Christianity, a homophobic and misogynous religion that somehow thinks that a genocidal son murdering god is a good god.

Look to Gnostic Christianity for the real and moral view.

It was and is said that the only good Christians are Gnostic Christians and it is mostly true.

Regards
DL

Regards
DL

Your dilemma is common, many have children and grandchildren who do not believe in God, they have been taught this at school. All you can do is to continue giving a good example for them to follow, and pray for them.

There was a French Priest that would stay in a Buddhist Temple and Meditate. He said it made him a better Christian. There are some good talks at this English site. www.amaravati.org/

Yes, God gave us free will and a conscience so that we could make our own decisions. We are His children and God, through his prophets and through the lessons taught by His son Jesus and His ultimate sacrifice on the cross, sort to teach us right from wrong, just as we do with our own children.

The free will we were given was to enable us not only to decide how we choose to live, but to choose whether we wish to love Him.

True love cannot be bought or forced, it must be freely given.

I'm struggling here - so god made man with free will so (s)he can do any horrendous thing - so what exactly is it about god that people are worshipping?

Because it wasn't God who carried out the bombings.