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Austerity is a myth.

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Parliament100 Sat 16-Jul-16 14:44:16

Austerity is just a media tag, the reality is that since Thatcher the right wing Tory's have initiated an ideological attack on all the social improvements built up by the Labour Government after WW2, and what's worse Thatcher, Cameron, and Osborne have got away with it..

DaphneBroon Sat 16-Jul-16 15:22:24

The right wing Tory's what?

janeainsworth Sat 16-Jul-16 15:25:46

Yes, we know all that Parliament.
Cameron and Osborne have gone now, were you asleep for the last couple of weeks?

nigglynellie Sat 16-Jul-16 15:53:19

I think times have changed just a little since the end of WW11 !!! and I don't think any government has deliberately set out to undermine the social changes that came about 70 years ago and that successive governments, Labour and Tory have built on; changed and modified them maybe, but not deliberately undermined them. No one can deny the banking crisis, and the need to pull our horns in in order to get the country back into some financial order. A lot of people thought the medicine far too severe, and now with a new government (yes, Cameron and Osbourne have gone, not a word of a lie!!)there may be some easing of the brake!

MiniMouse Sat 16-Jul-16 15:54:41

DaphneB What we really need is a Minister of Apostrophes smile

durhamjen Sat 16-Jul-16 16:03:32

Sorry, no government has deliberately set out to undermine the social changes?
Did you miss the Thatcher era?
Have you not heard about food banks, taking us back to the time of soup kitchens?
Do you think that was just done by accident, along with the destruction of the NHS?

nigglynellie Sat 16-Jul-16 16:10:05

There have been Labour governments too since the war, some pretty ineffectual, some actually bringing he country to its knees, remember the winter of discontent or did you miss that?!!

obieone Sat 16-Jul-16 16:19:13

Does anyone ever agree with Parliament100? Personally I cannot make head nor tail of some of his/her posts[I often think it is a him, approx 17 years old].

durhamjen Sat 16-Jul-16 16:19:15

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/07/15/divided-britain/

durhamjen Sat 16-Jul-16 16:26:51

Being inneffectual, as you put it, is not the same as did not deliberately set out to undermine.
Thatcher did set out to deliberately undermine social structures, as have Cameron and Osborne.

Parliament100 Sat 16-Jul-16 16:30:33

The Tory's since Thatcher have had an agenda to wipe away all the social improvement's built up by the Labour Government after WW2, and they have been using the deficit as a cover to achieve their agenda, and they have been getting away it.

Mrs Thatcher began taking us back to Victorian values, the New Labour Government under Tony Blair continued this agenda by embracing Thatcher's free market agenda, and Cameron with Osborne were finishing it all off.

nigglynellie Sat 16-Jul-16 16:38:48

In what way were they finishing it off? Preparing to send small boys up chimneys? reopening the work houses? reintroduction of capitol punishment? charging for seeking medical help? If all of these are the case, then they've passed me by, so enlighten me please!!

durhamjen Sat 16-Jul-16 16:45:01

Charging for seeking medical help is on the cards, niggly.

durhamjen Sat 16-Jul-16 16:46:17

nhap.org/sustainability-actually-means-removing-services-from-the-nhs-and-charging-for-them-says-the-lords-committee-on-long-term-sustainability-of-the-nhs-says-d/

Anniebach Sat 16-Jul-16 17:17:10

It was the strength of the unions which brought the so called winter of discontent, this was followed in 1883 with the biggest loss of seats for labour since 1918, followed by years in the wilderness. It took Neil Kinnock to take on the militant far left to regain seats over toe elections followed by three elections won by Blair.

I heard today there has been a surge of left wing supporters nominated for seats on the NEC, needless to say, organised by the Momentum cult . I appeal to labour party members who are not Corbyn supporters not the vote for these nominees , the vulnerable have suffered for six years, it will get worse under May and labour cannot win the next election

Devorgilla Sat 16-Jul-16 18:00:52

Anniebach - I assume you have caught up with the latest on Brighton. Article in the Times today. Haven't had time to look at Guardian yet. Brighton Party suspended and no election of officers until after the leadership election. Recent election of officers annulled and new lot will be voted in under supervision of party officials. You can probably google report. Interesting, but disturbing, reading.
We will survive it but many will not survive the effects of austerity for at least a generation and more like two.

midgey Sat 16-Jul-16 18:09:56

Don't think the winter of discontent was 1883, I thought I lived through it!

Jalima Sat 16-Jul-16 18:21:24

it will get worse under May
Do you think it will though? She seems more in touch than the last lot, the Notting Hill set.

1883 was not a good year because Krakatoa (is that the right spelling?) erupted which probably led to bad harvests and food shortages.

Jalima Sat 16-Jul-16 18:23:12

oh, not 1883 blush

JessM Sat 16-Jul-16 18:25:26

May has re-appointed Hunt. Any rumours that she will be "nicer" are unlikely to be true.

trisher Sat 16-Jul-16 18:35:11

I agree *Parliament100" why some people cannot see the Tory policies that have devastated our society I don't know, undoubtedly they have managed to introduce what would once have been unthinkable changes. Zero hours contracts for example. My grandfather was a docker, until unionisation their work was irregular and unpredictable, just as Zero contracts are. There is no social housing, no investment in education and the selling off of the NHS, all part of the Tory policy to reduce the size of the state, but does anyone challenge them? Well no they don't.

Ana Sat 16-Jul-16 18:37:52

Perhaps the Labour Party should get its act together and do so, then...

janeainsworth Sat 16-Jul-16 18:46:33

devorgilla not just Brighton, South Shields too, over allegations of bullying and intimidation. How many more?
www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/south-shields-labour-party-branch-11121911

Parliament100 Sat 16-Jul-16 18:51:14

trisher, well said. Absolutely spot on. The Tory right wing have Victorianised Britain. And it began with Thatcher.

Anniebach Sat 16-Jul-16 18:53:14

The winter of discontent was 1978 this was followed in 1883 by Percent, Got it now?