AIBU to think this is totally unnecessary?

Legs55, why on earth would your friend want to? Not exactly a nice sight is it?

jenpax I am totally with you!!! Especially in Paris!! The Parisian lady is so elegant, as is the lady of Madrid, and as for Milan - I don't think females under 40 are allowed out! (and they all wear black!) But seriously, since I was suddenly struck unable to walk beyond a few metres, I have developed bits that I would never show, and my upper arms are included! I often wear a loose cotton shirt over a sleeveless tee shirt but I would never remove the shirt!! Similarly with a sleeveless dress, I wear a little cotton top with sleeves. I often think of the Queen, she wears what seem to be coats and jackets in the sun, does she not get terribly hot? Yet she never looks hot! How does she do it?

pensionpat I'm really sorry to hear that Pat. I do hope things go well and treatment is effective. I'm of the praying disposition, so will say some prayers for you - I hope this is ok with you.
It's so kind of you to think of others and send a message of warning about the sun. Good luck and much love, L

yggdrasil you made me laugh out loud as well. 60s and 70s talk - 'she was asking for it' or 'can't you take a joke' when the gentle stroke on the back (in the office) undid my bra. I often wonder how the latter explained his black eye to his wife that evening.

Can't understand this need for walk about in public without covering up top. If the male species at least in UK feel they want to show off their upper half why does the fashion industry not copy the styles worn by the females e.g cut out shoulders, only one shoulder, all the various neckline. And, to go further, why do male popstars not appear in leotards, or the budgie smuggler style shorts to show off their bodies as we females do? (feeling squeamish just thinking about that).

Bluegal Oh NO! I can't understand why the male bits are so ugly and the female bust is rather pretty (to men certainly and for dressmakers, designers etc.) Actually the male bits at best are funny, but definitely not attractive! And you were in a cafe? Eating??!! Oh Noooooo...

Reminds me of the stupid idea they had of 'mixed wards'. I was in the Hammersmith Hospital for 2 weeks opposite these men who could not hide it, probably thought they were hiding it, but every time they bent their knees there it was, straight in my eye-line. I'm certainly heterosexual, but it was revolting!!

It was in Canada way back in the late 70s that I first saw the sign ‘No shirt, no shoes - no service!’ It was outside many cafes and shops.

Your name suggests a predilection for immodest bathing, and at least in the pictures I have seen King David is respectably covered up.
Haha! Don't worry Grummpa, I have no intention of scaring the wits out of anyone by bathing immodestly Actually, my name has no connection with that Bathsheba, but the place of the same name in Barbados, which we loved when Mr B and I visited

mabon1 I don't recall passing you on the beach path.

Iam64 You remind me of how mortified I often felt abroad, at least when at a seaside place, when that flagrantly obvious group of "the Brits Abroad" were flagrantly drawing attention to themselves as a bunch of hideous and excruciatingly odious yobs.

I can assure you all, that it is not only British men who insist on displaying too much flesh! Middle-aged Danes with beer bellies etc. are only to common sights in public, either with no top on, or (a possible concession to modesty) a completely unbuttoned shirt.

Women aren't all that much better at covering up, either.

I think we need to point out the dangers of too much sun - skin cancer does need to be taken very seriously.

Apart from that, perhaps we can influence public opinion through chat rooms, blogs and letters to the papers and make people realise that beach wear is exactly that - appropriate on the beach or at the swimming baths, but highly unsuitable in the street, in shops or, worst of all, restaurants, cafés and cafeterias.

A class of 15 year old girls I taught some years ago now, got the boys in their class out of the habit of wearing their trousers at half-mast, by walking behind them chanting
"hængerøve," a rude Danish expressing that literally translated means "floppy arse". In Danish it can both mean that the seat of your pants is nowhere near your bottom and a boring person, so the boys took the hint very fast!

Recently I was trying to do an assessment of the videos on YouTube about dealing with a relationship with a Bully, Manipulative or Narcissistic type of person. There are many good presenters with good qualifications. There is one, however, who appears to be self-invented, or to have a dubious qualification. He always appears on his videos, not topless, but as near to it as he can, a very skimpy tee shirt, showing his arms, shoulders, much of his chest. He even eats, chewing as he talks. The problem is people like him and among them appear to be many women. He also gives false information about some mental disorders and makes some disorders sound so horrible that people with them, he says, are hated by professionals. It is so distressing to think of a person just diagnosed with that disorder seeing this. They may become suicidal, it is a symptom of the disorder. Anyway, he flaunts his body as much as he dares, showing an almost bare chest.

I agree - perhaps these people think that their bodies are so wonderful that we can't resist looking at them!
I used to live by the seaside and the local supermarket had to put a sign up along the lines of, 'we request that tops are worn for your personal comfort, etc.'
Walking round the local shops was quite an eye-opener.

grandtanteJE65 I love all of what you say!! It's 5*! Thanks!

I agree with you GillT57 - why is it I wonder when we have a bit of sunshine a lot of people think it’s time to show off their flesh, no matter how hideous. Yuck!!

This discussion reminded me of the biology lecturer at teachers’ training college who told us “to be well dressed is to be suitably dressed - you don’t go looking in rock pools in your evening dress and high heels!” I always found that useful and passed it on to my daughters! She always wore tweedy suits and strong casuals for studies on the beach and smart suits and higher heels for the lecture hall!

Heat wave? what heatwave?
In east Kent, the temps have been struggling to get to 20C, we've barely seen the sun either. So count your blessings, flesh or no flesh!

This is not a modern phenomena which is why there have been laws to deal with it for a very long time. It is necessary to have evidence and a complainant so that people can be held to account.

Bluegal In the circumstances you describe I would have assumed that this was accidental and said something very quietly to the wife so that they could deal with the problem together because it is actually a serious matter. It is called 'indecent exposure' and there are differing charges depending on circumstances. It does not have to be intentional and can be accidental. The laws apply to both men and women. It would also mean the convicted person having to go on the sex offenders register.

Looks like we all share the same opinion on this one .....yuk!

Exhibitionism more like and unfortunately their are many females around who appear quite unconcerned in letting much of it unleashed. Not a pretty sight.

Supermarkets queues in Namibia can be quite distracting when you have a Himba tribes person behind you wearing little but a loincloth and a lot of red mud - and they are very attractive looking.

My late father who worked in fashion always used to say ‘the sun doesn’t half bring the sights out!’ I’ve been in Sainsbury’s this morning and followed a lady definitely older than me - I’m 69. She was in very short baggy shorts, a vest top and high heeled sandals. With white wrinkly skin on arms and legs it wasn’t a pretty sight. Whatever makes you happy I suppose....

Much appreciated Luzdoh x

Until a few years ago Jersey used to have a sign on their public transport saying. Males must wear tops. When we went over earlier this year this sign was no longer on the buses.

I live in a seaside town . People go shopping in their swimwear, men and women !! The manager of our local supermarket has to tell these idiots that its not hygienic to shop for food half dressed. Trouble is that they have got away with it in places like Benidorm , God knows what the locals think but dare not say anything.