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Theresa May & Trump, why the negative slant ?

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Bridgeit Fri 13-Jul-18 18:22:48

Am I alone in thinking that Reporters & Journalists seemed hell bent on reporting the meeting of DT & TM in a particularly negative way,despite the fact that both of them were obviously making positive efforts & remarks in a civilised & mature manner?

varian Sun 15-Jul-18 19:27:48

It came out earlier this year that the Home Office under Theresa May had held back numerous government reports that detailed the positive impacts that immigration has upon Britain. Vince Cable commented on the information suppression recently, stating that, “When I was Business Secretary there were up to nine studies that we looked at that took in all the academic evidence….. It showed that immigration had very little impact on wages or employment. But this was suppressed by the Home Office under Theresa May, because the results were inconvenient. I remember it vividly. Overwhelmingly it has been the case that overseas workers have been complementary rather than competitive to British workers.”

The reports detailed that there had been no impact upon jobs or wages as a result of immigration, as well as numerous ways in which Britain could reduce the number of EU nationals coming to work in the UK, including a two-year residency restriction for unskilled workers and restrictions on bringing family members over.

Similar accusations have been leveled at David Cameron and his true motivations behind calling the referendum, that the Conservatives were vehemently opposed to Tax Evasion regulations that were being proposed by the EU. Back in 2015, Britain rejected plans announced by Brussels to combat “industrial-scale tax avoidance by the world’s biggest multinationals”. Britain had built a corporate tax haven for multinationals that included slashing corporation tax from 28% to 20%, new favorable tax regimes for multinationals with offshore financing subsidiaries, and tax breaks for patent-owning companies. As a result, Britain saw a number of large corporations like Aon, Fiat Industrial, and Starbucks’s European operations, set up headquarters in the UK with a small number of staff in order to take advantage of these tax laws.

medium.com/the-jist/was-eu-tax-evasion-regulation-the-reason-for-the-brexit-referendum-980ba88a8077

MawBroon Sun 15-Jul-18 20:15:21

You do indeed montymops unsubstantiated prejudice speaks for itself.

mcem Sun 15-Jul-18 20:31:52

kim19 are you seriously saying you'd like to see MPs lining up to support 'Britain First'?

OldMeg Sun 15-Jul-18 20:39:29

kim have you any idea what Britain First stands for?

Kim19 Sun 15-Jul-18 21:12:48

I do now OM. Didn't before. Thank you. I'm not much of an in depth political animal. If you take the content of my previous literally I would be grateful.

oldbatty Sun 15-Jul-18 21:19:16

America and the UK stand for all that is good and great.

Oh dear.

mcem Sun 15-Jul-18 22:15:58

kim thanks for your honesty.
I wonder how you voted in the referendum and how well informed you felt about the many complicated issues involved.
Were you really not aware that Jo Cox MP was brutally murdered by a man who was proud to support Britain First?

maddy629 Sun 15-Jul-18 23:01:03

oldbatty What's good about Trump, you ask, The answer is nothing, nothing at all.

lemongrove Mon 16-Jul-18 08:10:30

Let’s not get over excited about either the posts by montymops or jimbow because there is truth in their comments.Perhaps re-read them.
Putting Britain first ( not the right wing extreme group) is a good idea, and the UK and the US have much to be proud of.
Nobody is saying that either country is perfect (are any?) but
Compared to many ,many countries are beacons of fairness and tolerance, and we shouldn’t forget that.

lemongrove Mon 16-Jul-18 08:15:49

mcem it doesn’t sit well to interrogate posters as to their
Knowledge , political or otherwise.
Simply because Kim said we should put Britain first as an idea, it doesn’t mean we should hold the views of an extreme right wing organisation ourselves.

NfkDumpling Mon 16-Jul-18 08:18:33

I wonder on what grounds Mr Trump said we could sue the EU? False accounting? No accounting? Letting in countries which didn’t meet the criteria? And what court? I’d love to know more.

petra Mon 16-Jul-18 08:47:13

Varian
From the Guardian 2017.
the president of the European Commission, Jean Claude Juncker, spent years in his previous role as Luxembourgs prime minister secretly blocking eu efforts to tackle tax avoidance by multinational corporations, leaked documents reveal.
Camaron couldn't hold a candle to juncker when it comes to arranging tax deals. This matter, tax deals/juncker is still being investigated.

OldMeg Mon 16-Jul-18 09:04:24

kim an honest acknowledgement.

OldMeg Mon 16-Jul-18 09:05:41

I think the Blair ‘I’m Backing Britain’ campaign tried to do that.

mcem Mon 16-Jul-18 09:29:28

lemon l congratulated kim on her honest reply.
I 'wondered' how she felt about her own brexit vote - hardly interrogation!
I found it hard to understand how anyone could not know about Jo Cox so asked a straightforward question.
Again I say, hardly interrogation!

Don't you think it's rather patronising to leap to the defence of a poster who is clearly able to engage in discussion without your 'help' and who is willing to say she has learned from the exchange of views?

Kim please continue to post, comment, question and answer as you see fit - taking the rough with the smooth and dealing with issues as you choose!

pollyperkins Mon 16-Jul-18 09:33:25

Hmmm -of course we remember the murder of Jo Cox but personally I had forgotten that it was a member of Britain First that did it! They are not high on my radar.
I dont think Kim was referring to an organisation , just a idea.

NfkDumpling Mon 16-Jul-18 11:12:32

I don’t think you can compare the actions of the organisation Britain First with the simple wish that we should put Britain first - with a small eff - as Kim said. Nothing whatsoever to do with the Britain First fascists. In other words we should back Britain. Why not? Support Britain. Why not? We spend too much time decrying our country, putting ourselves down and assuming that every other first world country gets it right and we don’t.

mcem Mon 16-Jul-18 11:25:38

The words Britain and First are indelibly linked in my mind with the dreadful right-wing organisation (whose posts Trump chose to retweet) and the murder of Jo Cox.
I'd go so far as to say I am not alone in that!
Can't see that saying that is in any way decrying the country.

oldbatty Mon 16-Jul-18 12:22:25

do you know what does Put Britain First actually mean? We are a small island on the brink of being broken up into smaller countries.

Jalima1108 Mon 16-Jul-18 12:54:05

What a pity that that right-wing organisation has appropriated the name.

Elegran Mon 16-Jul-18 12:55:05

The flag of St George has been appropriated by extremists too.

Jalima1108 Mon 16-Jul-18 13:19:21

I am hoping it has been claimed back again with the well-behaved football Elegran! smile

Jalima1108 Mon 16-Jul-18 13:20:19

ps people who were not extremists - and not even great football fans - have reclaimed it and flown the flag of St George.

lemongrove Mon 16-Jul-18 14:17:55

I hope that Kim will return to this thread, wouldn’t blame her if she didn’t though!

lemongrove Mon 16-Jul-18 14:19:28

Agreed Jalima perhaps now is the right time for England to fly the flag more often, just as other countries do.???????