Empathy for Our Queen? ( As a Mother)

Well those were press interviews, they may not have been asked whether there were other men or anything about other men. And knowing how the press edit to tell the story they want to tell, even if the girls grabbed the interviewers arm and said you MUST also say Fred Bloggs raped me along with 8 other men the press may simply edit that bit out so the article can focus on Andrew. Much more informative about their motives would be to read their depositions, if we can.

She was not being questioned she was making a prepared statement, this the day after Andrews interview.

Alright... NOW something's not ringing true.

Extract:
She said: ' I was abused from a very young age. Seven years old and my childhood was quickly taken away from me.

'I was just so mentally scarred already at such a young age and I ran away from that. I found nothing on the streets except for hunger and pain and abuse and it was scary, I wanted to get out of it.'

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So later on, after she is already taken from the streets by Epstein to be abused by him, she is back at home and she has a good enough relationship with her parents to want a photo to take home as a souvenir to show her mother how she met royalty (that's why she said she had it in her possession) and her father is on the news supporting her.

Has the father come out of the woodwork now that he sees there is a chance she could become rich, or did she always have a good relationship with her parents and has over-dramatised the awful start to her life?

I just feel sorry for the Queen.

That photograph puzzles me , thank you for her explanation
ReadyMeals

ReadyMeals - I take it you have no direct experience of working with, or caring for a child who was sexually abused from a tender age?

Iam64 you can't just stereotype every abused child. It doesn't matter how many abused children I have met, Virginia Giuffre is an individual with her own experiences and aspirations

ReadyMeals do you not realise that it is often another relative or a close family friend, who is the abuser and often the parents just have no clue about what is going on?

Incidentally, how many people have you met or worked with who was abused as a child?

Sorry, grammar

It should not matter if VG was a very innocent, unworldly virgin, a knowing mum looking for a bit of fun or an abused and vulnerable young adult. If PA used the person as a prostitute then he should have the courage to admit his human failing once found out. What I find so disappointing from public figures is their lack of honesty! Poor example.. which in his position he should be mindful of.. or renounce all duties and live on your own earnings as a private citizen.

If he did, we don’t know yet , and if he did have sex with her doesn’t mean he paid for it

Callistemon yes of course I know that. But if she couldn't turn to her parents for protection at that time, and therefore had to run away from home altogether, it leaves room for a question in my mind that they all seem a happy family now. I never said it proved she was lying, I just think it evens the balance of doubt a little. Both she and Andrew have revealed things that would make me want more questions answered before I decided that one of them was telling the truth. As to what experience I have of sexual abuse, you've asked me twice now and I want to point out as politely as possible that I don't want to share that with these forums at this time and I think it's a bit pushy to ask twice when it's apparent someone doesn't want to say.

NB it wasn't you who asked twice, but it still seems a bit intrusive.

Even if she knew what she was doing and was wise to it all, she was still a victim, since she was underage. I think the point I am trying to make is that if she says anything at all that seems questionable as to the truth, then it would make me wonder how much of her story about Andrew is true.

I'd never stereotype anyone who had an abuse experience. It's their experience and we all respond differently to our life experiences, we may react differently at different times.

The significant difficulty faced by those involved in prosecuting allegations of csa includes the point you make ReadyMeals. That it's hard to persuade a jury/a Court, the public that an alleged victim is telling the truth in allegations against an alleged perpetrator, if the victim can be found to have ever, at any time, to have either been dishonest, or got dates/times mixed up so appeared dishonest.

I did not mean personally as seemed clear from my post, but you seem to have assumed I meant that Readymeals, sorry.

Even happy families can have a friend, a relative - children may be abused then told mall kinds of things which could happen to their parents if they told and because they love their parents they do not tell them.

That is a simple example but I hope will help you understand.

My question was have you come across many abused children professionally, not personally.

That is not another question, btw, just an explanation.

I know she was abused, because she was a sex worker while underage, which is abuse by the adults controlling her and/or the adults using her services. Also I am ready to believe that she was abused as a younger child. And a person can be honest, or a little dishonest or completely dishonest as a completely separate character trait whether or not they were abused. As I scrutinised Andrew for anything in his story that might not totally add up, it seemed fair to do the same to Virginia. That just happened to be one point in her story I'd want to know more about before feeling totally sure in my heart who, if any of them, is telling the complete truth.

Seems both are not being truthful.

Re the interview with her father where he said he met Epstein and in effect handed over his 16 year old daughter to the multi-millionaire for training as a masseuse. He didn't seem to think this was odd at the time. He never mentioned in his interview that she was abused from the age of 7 or had been homeless as a young teenager which she said in her interview.

I was shocked because as her father this man should have been protecting her, and yet he now has the gall to come on TV and comment on the awful things that happened to her with PA. What about what happened to her as a child??? Where was he then???

Incidentally, her father also said in his interview that he knew nothing about her being abused before PA because she was a very good actress which was probably not a good thing to say when she has just gone public with her side of the story

I think once her family got involved it wasn't particularly helpful to her. Also could raise speculation that the dad was the original abuser. Though that doesn't excuse Epstein, Maxwell, or Mountbatten-Windsor. And if she wasn't living at home how did the father hand her over to anyone? I hope this comes to court properly cos I really want to hear all this explained in detail!!

How can it come to court ? She was 17 .

What can he be charged with ?

Wut??? I am talking about the current case that she and her peers are trying to mount. The manner by which she came into Epstein's influence would be covered by that.

In America not in the U.K.

ReadyMeals - her father was in contact with her when she was offered work with Epstein. It's all a bit vague but at the time she was working at the same place as her father and they used to have lunch together. This is after she'd been physically and sexually abused from the age of seven, and homeless! Apparently they both thought Epstein's offer to train her as a masseuse seemed like a good idea and the father willingly let him whisk her away.

Doesn't sound good at all, Chestnut. Anniebach yes in america. If it was in UK we'd probably not hear it at all since we don't televise our trials