Do we still set higher standards for women?

Grandad the campaign to remain in the EU was a failure, I am not sure women want to emulate it The campaigns I mentioned abortion rights, rape within marriage, street harassment, were all successful. I am afraid I dont think numbers on streets is necessary indicitative of any kind of success.
Nothing to do with this thread but it is interesting how different companies are reacting to the coronavirus, we are still using our office as normal, however as our job is mostly out in the community it probably makes no difference.
As for women saying women have slept their way to the top, women can be misogynistic too, ts of no surprise to any of us involved in womens rights, it's easier for many people not to challenge the status quo .

hmmGood grief terrible grammar/spelling in that post. Cant even blame the wine.

Saying a pregnant women is not likely to get the job compared to a bloke is ridiculous. Of course, the attendance of the woman would be more likely to be unreliable so why wouldn't the bloke be chosen. As long as women expect to have time off when kids are ill or have some school thing to attend, as a priority, then why wouldn't a company chose the man. If women want to be equal in the workplace then they have to be prepared to do the job equal to the men in all respects. That's what equality means, not to say I want equal pay and equal responsibility but want to be able to have time off whenever.

quizqueen can men not take time off when children are ill? Equality means sharing responsibility.
Grandad1943 I thought you would know about all the women in Unison and the campaigns they support www.unison.org.uk/about/what-we-do/fairness-equality/women/key-issues/

Perhaps the answer quizqueen is that men take an equal role in the children they produce. Why would a man not be the one to take time off.

As you are so keen on equal responsibility.

"Saying a pregnant women is not likely to get the job compared to a bloke is ridiculous. Of course, the attendance of the woman would be more likely to be unreliable so why wouldn't the bloke be chosen. "

Because job positions are ideally filled based on the skills of the person, not the gender and social obligations imposed by society

This comment is the perfect example of chauvinist attitude in the world now - no wonder birth rates are falling

"If women want to be equal in the workplace then they have to be prepared to do the job equal to the men in all respects"
Why can't father's take time off work to take care of his sick kid? Support his sick wife?
It is men who have to step up, not women

quizqueen Men should do their share! This isn't the dark ages. Women have full-time careers. They don't have a biological responsibility to drop their life every time a child is ill. Men need to step up.

If men can't take half the responsibility, they should stop having children.

I feel that with many of the above posts asserting that "men should do this" or "men should do that" demonstrates comprehensively that women's equality campaigns carried out over many decades have failed.

What forum members who state such as the above are acknowledging is that long-held stances and prejudice are still retained and entrenched within our society.

I would not necessarily subscribe to many of the anti-male views expressed in this thread and in that believe that much has changed in regards to equality attitudes in Britain.

However, the fact that women still hold such views in itself demonstrates , as stated, that women's rights and equality campaigns have failed and may well continue to fail without radical change.

The above should now be the main theme of in this thread as reciting the same arguments time and time again changes nothing. I feel that Thrisher and myself have through our post indicated how those campaigns could be made more effective.

GagaJo quote [If men can't take half the responsibility, they should stop having children.] End quote.

What a rediculas statement for any women to make. When it comes to making children it takes two to make a bargain.

Grandad1943 I don't think that is a ridiculous statement at all. The fact is that women still take responsibility for the majority of housework and child care. Now if that is partly because of the way they were brought up, or the expectations of society, there is still also the fact that men often do not step up because, let's face facts, it's hard work. 100 years ago a woman called Lisbeth Simm wrote a column where she said that one reason women didn't attend political meetings was because men didn't do their share of the house work. Germaine Greer once advocated giving young men vasectomies after they had stored sperm in a sperm bank. It would end unwanted children and make men realise their responsibilities. Women have been suggesting solutions for a long time but they are still usually the ones left holding the baby and men pursue the lives they had before they were fathers.

We, as women, started working for equality a long time ago. We are not there yet. The law says one thing, society says another.

We will get there. We will. It is a very slow change, from generation to generation. But we are not there yet

I think if your only aim was for womens progress in the career market to improve, then yes it would benefit women to stop having children.

I feel that with many of the above posts asserting that "men should do this" or "men should do that" demonstrates comprehensively that women's equality campaigns carried out over many decades have failed.

What on earth does this even mean?

Are you advocating that men shouldn’t do half the childcare and house work?

That women should have a full career, take all the time off for sick children, and do all housework/child care?

Women can’t do all the work for equality, men need to do theirs as well.