To think footballers taking the knee is hypocritical?

Judging by the (only) threads Flopen has started I suspect they’re only here for the sport.

and I thought it was bad form to check posters out this way.

Which of the 4 posts that I started do you object to? The one asking why GN didn't have a Feminism Thread, the one where (given several poster supporting me) I asked the Site to create one, this one, or the one where I wanted posters' thoughts about buying a 2nd home to be near grandchildren?

Do tell me, and I'll tone down what you think I shouldn't be asking about.

timetogo2016

Were devoted to ALL LIVES MATTER.

Were ? Or we’re ?

But all lives don’t matter. That’s the point. Black lives don’t seem to be important.

Black people can be gunned down while out jogging, suffocated on the street, black children shot in playgrounds, and so on. And when at last they say ‘enough is enough’ all the nasty little racists crawl out of their worm holes and shout.

Lewis Hamilton is a black role model. He drives a Mercedes because it's the best F1 car. German industry did lots of strange things 80 years ago, plenty of factories did it presumably to fit in with the govt of the time, or even at the behest of Hitler.
If he takes the knee, he's a hypocrite because he earns a lot of money and works for Mercedes; if he doesn't he's denying his heritage so he's a hypocrite. Not really a balanced argument, is it?

Yes, lots of things happened 80 years ago and that is just my point . Those things are forgotten and they shouldn't be forgotten . I fail to understand why we are supposed to consider that it's not a balanced argument, there isn't some sort of hierarchy where one person's hurt takes precedence. Many people were enslaved by the Nazis , many people were tortured and murdered. We should remember them and make sure that the companies who used them are also remembered for what they did. There is no difference in remembering that or remembering slavery anywhere.

OOOOPS thanks Luccca we`re it is i`m getting type lazy.

timetogo2016

OOOOPS thanks Luccca we`re it is i`m getting type lazy.

Oh that’s a shame. I so hoped it was “were”, as in used to be .....

No, I don’t agree. I think it is a very positive gesture. What I do think is hypocritical - off topic but politicians who claim to be Christian and vote against welfare benefit issues resulting in deaths.

Buttonjugs; don't get me started on the whole Christianity hypocrisy thing! We could be here for hours, so I will shut up now.

Ahem - not all Christians are hypocritical.
Just saying

Not keen on Hypocrisy Flopen ? So how about the WM government banning Huawei and still letting the Chinese build Nuclear power stations in England ?

I disagree strongly of anyone taking the knee.

I think it's going to be interesting to see what happens about chinese involvement in so many aspects of our infrastructure paddy.
But I don't think it's an appropriate comparison.

quizqueen

I disagree strongly of anyone taking the knee.

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I doubt they give a toss about your disapproval. Do you disapprove of genuflection too?

Paddyanne we don’t want Hinckley Point power station full stop but especially not if it is Chinese. Their record of building powers stations is very poor.

the trouble is that we need more power stations but can't afford to build them.

flopen

the trouble is that we need more power stations but can't afford to build them.

We don’t need more dirty power stations we need more clean renewables. And we could have afforded to build more.

Unfortunately, nuclear power is far more efficient than renewables.

Not any more it isn't flopen it is overpriced and old fashioned. Renewables are the future. Cleaner and cheaper.

We'll have to agree to differ.
Maybe in the future renewables will be the answer, but not yet.

flopen This sounds like just an excuse for doing nothing - perhaps because you don't support or have much sympathy for the BLM movement.

Is it only acceptable to support a campaign if you also support every other campaign relating to abuses of human rights? I would think that would take up every minute of a person's life because there are so many examples of human rights abuses.

Qatar is just one of thousands of examples of exploitation. So are you saying, if you can't protest about every abuse of human rights, every incidence of cruelty to animals, etc, etc then you shouldn't protest about any, and if you do you are a hypocrite?

If a commitment is not made, and money is not put into developing renewables then it will always be "not yet". It's been "not yet" for decades and while other countries are making great leaps forward we lag behind.

good point eleothan

The reason why I focus on footballers is because there is such a direct link between their virtue signalling (as I see it) and the fact that the same men will be prepared to play in Qatar.

I recognise that we are all complicit in this. But you very rarely see such a direct link.

Abut renewables. There is investment already in renewables. But they can't take the place of traditional power production. There's an app (sorry, forgotton which) which shows, in real time, demand for power in the UK, and production, broken down into sources. Renewables are always fluctuating, whereas coal, gas, and nuclear are constant. We can't rely on renewables.

Spain uses renewables to a larger extent, but also has to have a traditional back up, just in case. It's finding it very difficult to fund both of these.

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How about harnessing the Severn Bore? Or if I remember rightly there was a tidal scheme for Swansea Bay which would have produced plenty of renewable energy but was chucked out as being too expensive. What price the planet?

It was stalled and eventually rejected because of green concerns about the effect on the environment

Although the Swansea scheme was initially rejected, I believe it is now going ahead.