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Attendance Allowance fraud?

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Nonogran Sun 24-Jan-21 20:33:10

Am I being unreasonable to expect that someone I know is being paid Attendance Allowance but is not, in any shape or form using it for its intended purpose?
This person really does need help in the house, lives in not exactly squalor but very dirty, disorganised and unhygienic conditions.
This person claims that after he's created some "order" himself he will engage external help, presumably with AA benefit. However, he has been procrastinating for months and it looks unlikely the help will ever materialise.
Am I being unreasonable to see that tax payers money is being spent elsewhere & not what its intended for?
Does this amount to fraud? I have no experience of these matters.

M0nica Mon 25-Jan-21 10:02:31

My theory was always that once someone retired they did not go to work and contribute to the economy. Therefore mobility was not considered for AA.

Except that this statement is a total fallacy. many retired people keep working. Not many continue without change 5 days a week 9-5, but many move to part time work, working from home doing consultancy.

Many others do voluntaray work, in fact the voluntary sector would probably collapse without all their post-retirement volunteers.

All are still taxpayers, an increasing number pay income tax and all of us pay VAT on our shopping. Then, of course, there are all the jobs we support by our spending, not, just healthcare and specialist services, but supermarkets, the retail industry generally, the travel industry and so many others

so once someone retired they did not go to work and contribute to the economy In fact the economy would collapse without us.

Callistemon Mon 25-Jan-21 10:02:44

GillT57

None of your business.

I was trying to say just that but taking a long time to say it!

Anniebach Mon 25-Jan-21 10:06:40

I feel so sorry for the man , he must trust you Nonogran to
tell you he receives Attendance Allowance, to allow you into his home , to explain he is working towards getting help , yet you question if he is guilty of fraud

Marydoll Mon 25-Jan-21 10:06:55

I'm annoyed with Biba's insensitive comment, but I am biting my tongue. Therefore,but for the grace of God go I..

pensionpat Mon 25-Jan-21 10:08:04

Nadaterture. The other things that you mention, cooking, socialising, shopping used to be provided in other times by Local Authorities. There were home helps, meals on wheels, more social clubs, including transport, day centres, taxi tokens. Imagine the cost of providing all these services.

It must be far cheaper to the Government/ taxpayer to give £80 p.w. To older people who can then source and pay for what they need/want. I think older people have lost a lot in the way of public services. But that is another topic.

pensionpat Mon 25-Jan-21 10:09:22

Sorry about mis-spelling your name.

Callistemon Mon 25-Jan-21 10:09:42

Therefore,but for the grace of God go I..
And, in fact, any of us, Marydoll

Who knows what the future brings.

Blossoming Mon 25-Jan-21 10:12:00

Attendance Allowance is extra money you can claim if you’re over State Pension age and need regular help with your personal care. It is non-means tested, so you can claim it whatever your income or savings. It is entirely up to the recipient how they spend it, my DLA goes on physio. If other recipients find that alcohol, manicures and bingo help their mental health than that is their choice.

Callistemon Mon 25-Jan-21 10:15:34

I agree, Blossoming but it was the underlying tone of the post which annoyed me.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 25-Jan-21 10:19:15

My darling Mum was told to claim AA when it came apparent that she had only a few months to live. She moved in with us and the money was spent on any treat she fancied.

merlotgran Mon 25-Jan-21 10:22:14

GrannyGravy13

My darling Mum was told to claim AA when it came apparent that she had only a few months to live. She moved in with us and the money was spent on any treat she fancied.

And the fact that your mother moved in with you could have meant a huge saving for NHS services.

Money well spent IMO

nadateturbe Mon 25-Jan-21 13:22:58

PensionPat
I agree, the home help service was very good. I did home help when my children were very young. I had time to clean, make lunch and have a much needed chat with clients.
It's much preferable to asking people to organise this help themselves. The government just doesn't want the responsibility.

You can't get both PIP and AA. Neither can you get both DLA and AA.
According to the Government website you can only claim DLA if you are under 16. For older
If you become disabled after retirement age you cannot claim PIP.
It's totally unfair that you can't claim PIP after retirement. Many people are disabled but would not qualify for AA. I think people might find it interesting to read the application form for AA.
If you are entitled to AA, someone can claim Carer's Allowance for you if their income is below a certain level.

pensionpat Mon 25-Jan-21 13:29:10

Monica. You are quite correct. The age that people can claim PiP from needs to be changed to reflect this.

Blossoming Mon 25-Jan-21 13:58:33

Callistemon

I agree, Blossoming but it was the underlying tone of the post which annoyed me.

I wasn’t taking issue with you, I felt the same.

Callistemon Mon 25-Jan-21 14:26:41

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nadateturbe Mon 25-Jan-21 14:40:20

The age that people can claim PiP from needs to be changed to reflect this.
The age limit for claiming PIP needs changed so that you can still claim it after retirement age. Thats what I've been saying.

Sandytoes Thu 28-Jan-21 18:58:18

It's not fraud Nonogran ! .There is no legal requirement as to how to spend the allowence. My mother claims AA but apart from a gardener doesnt pay anyone for help. I provide all her other care and support for free and have reduced my working hours to do this , at my own financial cost . She has a deteriorating condition and is saving her money for the time she needs full time care .