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kircubbin2000 Sat 20-Nov-21 12:37:17

Just read that prisons in England and Wales are housing male rapists in womens prisons and some are actually providing condoms!
Rugby and Shoreham are mentioned and today is a day of protest.
Whatever next?

Chewbacca Sun 21-Nov-21 20:18:39

In 2019 there were 163 transgender prisoners in England and Wales, 81 of whom had been convicted of one or more sexual offences. Of the 163, 34 were held in women’s prisons. Between 2016 and 2019, a total of 97 sexual assaults were recorded in women’s prisons, of which seven appeared to be committed by transgender prisoners without a Gender Reassignment Certificate.

The seven, of the 124 sex attacks, occurred at HMP Low Newton in Co Durham, Foston Hall in Derbyshire, Peterborough, Bronzefield in Middlesex and New Hall, West Yorkshire.

Iam64 Sun 21-Nov-21 20:19:44

Thanks for your OP kircubbin2000.
I’m catching up after a busy day. It’s great to see so many contributions and from some posters who either felt unsupported or wanted to avoid some of the other trans threads.
My experience of women in prisons started in 1978 and continued over almost 40 years. The majority of female prisoners experienced abuse in childhood and adult life. The perpetrators almost always men. Their vulnerability, mental health problems, disrupted attachments, separation from children, drug/alcohol dependence, etc are all well researched and recorded.
It’s outrageous that this vulnerable group are expected to live alongside men who have sexually abused children and women, simply because the perpetrators self ID. It should be possible to use space in the prison buildings, to segregate male sex offenders who self ID as female.
I’m not a great supporter of segregation but I’m even less a supporter of women losing rights and security.
Trans wings for self ID?

Iam64 Sun 21-Nov-21 20:20:32

X posted there Chewbacca. Many thanks for the details

Chewbacca Sun 21-Nov-21 20:51:25

It will be interesting to see if those figures have changed for the period 2020 - 2021 Iam64, especially so since the ministry of justice said, in July 2021, that they were:

“facilitating the rights of transgender people to live in and as their acquired gender (and) protecting transgender people’s mental and physical health”.

No mention of the vulnerable women's mental or physical health of those sharing a confined space with them. hmm

Doodledog Sun 21-Nov-21 21:33:18

It really is the stuff of nightmares, isn't it? Or the plot of Orange is the New Black or Bad Girls. Being locked into a confined space with a violent sex offender, when someone else has the key and control of the light switch.

Iam64 Mon 22-Nov-21 08:19:29

Yes it is nightmarish. Women’s prisons are difficult places for inmates and staff . Women in prison have mental health issues, compounded by being away from, or losing their children. The emotional atmosphere can be labile why do anything to make it worse