Assigned female at birth

All the law can do is attempt to limit opportunities for crime, and have to balance that with maintaining the freedoms we expect in a democratic society.

Clearly the law can't always protect children (or women, or men), but laws are in place to reduce the chances of crimes happening.

Eh?

Sorry that was about priests not being a danger to women. Some will be some wont. This all feels a bit surreal.

Galaxy

Sorry that was about priests not being a danger to women. Some will be some wont. This all feels a bit surreal.

I get the impression that we are being asked questions like this in the expectation that we will trip over a hidden wire and fall over. You're right - it's a bit surreal.

Yes laws are in place to reduce incidence of crimes.

Given that trans people had been using the toilets they desired for decades without issue it made sense to protect that as a right.

Then the GC got all shouty and now some trans women, butch lesbians and any woman who looks a bit masculine may be verbally or physically attacked just for having a wee...

No one can see that's a problem caused by being shouty, not protecting people's rights to live as they always had?

I might fall over. Its been for various reasons a stressful day and I have had wine.

Prisons, refuges, sport, crine stats, not really about wees.

Absolutely all solvable issues when sensible heads get together and look at ways to prevent problems.

No need to call trans women men or say anything hurtful to trans people in order to achieve that

I cant discuss single sex provision if I cant talk about biological reality.

Yes you can because where there is a need for single sex spaces that is protected.

I am easily able to recognise when that is the case while being inclusive

Shouty!!! ????

Ok. You cant change sex. Women at times need single sex provision.

Mollygo

Shouty!!! ????

Our voices should be 'gentle and low - an excellent thing in woman'.

How far does it need to go for you agree sex can change?

Further than surgical alterations?

Further than growing breast tissue through hormone treatment?

A woman has given birth with a transplanted uterus, When a trans woman does so, is she a woman?

When science is able to use a bodies own DNA to grow sex organs that won't be rejected will she be a woman?

Or are we all women on the inside and that's enough

Er well I dont agree sex can change so not sure what to say about that.

Thank goodness some do because trans people are valid

I havent said they arent valid, I dont really know what that means to be honest.

Neither do I Galaxy. A woman is an adult female.

Smileless2012

Neither do I Galaxy. A woman is an adult female.

A woman is an adult female to you Smileless2012, and to me, in fact to all of us who understand basic biology and the fact that sex is immutable.

Galaxy posted,
I haven’t said they aren't valid, I don’t really know what that means to be honest.
I wondered too Galaxy, so I looked it up.

Valid means having a sound basis in logic or fact.
So to help out, I’ll explain the difference.

Transpeople exist. That’s a fact, so valid.
I haven’t seen anyone on GN say trans don’t exist. So no one has said they’re not valid.

Transpeople can change sex.
No. No sound basis, not a fact, so not valid.
Some people claiming transpeople have done it (changed sex) doesn’t make it valid, it simply means someone is saying something that is scientifically and factually incorrect, so not valid
Hope that helps.

Trans people exist and are valid, but they don't/can't change sex. Sex is immutable. Lord Winston had the guts to state that. I believe him and his superior knowledge rather than VioletSky (feel free to screenshot ) If I assert the earth is flat, climate change is bunkum, petrol does not pollute, Covid doesn't exist, and Trump was robbed of the election does this make it true? Asking for a friend, since having more than two braincells I know the aforementioned is totally bonkers!

Of course Rosie and no one has said they are not valid and stating the biological fact that they are not women does not invalidate them.

VioletSky

How far does it need to go for you agree sex can change?

Further than surgical alterations?

Further than growing breast tissue through hormone treatment?

A woman has given birth with a transplanted uterus, When a trans woman does so, is she a woman?

When science is able to use a bodies own DNA to grow sex organs that won't be rejected will she be a woman?

Or are we all women on the inside and that's enough

At what point in their transition does their DNA change from male to female? Is it magic words, or maybe a magic ceremony? Do you think that a male who was given a female heart, kidney or liver in a transplant operation changed sex? If not, why not? What organ transplant changes a person's sex?

Rosie51, so relieved you asked for a friend. I can confirm, covid is real, trump lost the election, petroleum is a pollutant, the earth is not flat and yes, Robert Winston is correct, we can’t change sex. We can however be trans people, this is ‘valid’

VioletSky

How far does it need to go for you agree sex can change?

Further than surgical alterations?

Further than growing breast tissue through hormone treatment?

A woman has given birth with a transplanted uterus, When a trans woman does so, is she a woman?

When science is able to use a bodies own DNA to grow sex organs that won't be rejected will she be a woman?

Or are we all women on the inside and that's enough

If a TW gives birth, it is a biological man, identifying as a woman, using the uterus of a biological woman, to give birth.

Men, whatever they identify as, cannot incubate and give birth to a child, on their own.

Mother Nature has decided that, in humans, only the female of the species can do this.

Science can get involved, with using DNA and trialling men developing their own uterus, if the various ethics organisations ever allow it, but nature doesn't change course, regardless of demands and protests.

Stop talking sense DiamondLily! Science based biological evidence doesn't matter to some any more! Can't you see that the Emperor has new clothes?