So called jokes about rape!

Yeah I'll own that remark to which you refer, He has a catalogue of horrible undermining put downs about women . I have formed , NOT jumped to conclusions based on those truly reprehensible observations he has made. He doesn't have to put out such undermining, personal remarks about various women into the public domain so they can be mocked, ridiculed and sniggered at .Surely anyone, especially those who have been gifted a brain can fathom that out. Anyway who is he to comment on Rebecca Addlington's looks?

The self appointed Misandry Officer who stalked the GN forums has either retired or from what I heard has been cancelled, there doesn't seem to be anyone else who desires to step up to the plate, so for the time being Misandry Wars appear to be having a hiatus. As Callistemon has so rightly pointed out we have a good old dose of "goadyfuckery" in
their place.

Well we'll all have to agree to differ, won't we.

And still, none of us have heard the joke, however much we think we have.

Do not need to hear a joke referencing rape in order to know that I will find it in bad taste, not appropriate and not funny.

volver

Well we'll all have to agree to differ, won't we.

And still, none of us have heard the joke, however much we think we have.

So you haven't heard it either, volver, even though you appear to be defending it?

Or do you frequent Boyle's stand-ups?

volver

Callistemon21

Bellanonna

Would you defend Boyle quite so vehemently if he were English, Volver?

???
Och aye!

It's free speech innit.
Let's all be politically incorrect and see where it gets us.

WTAF?

Seriously?

We've done the Scottish thing already. RTFT.

You're ridiculous.

You're ridiculous
Your view.
No-one else's as far as I know.

I won't report that post, it's just ridiculous ???

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Oh the misandry stalker. Bless.

Galaxy

Oh the misandry stalker. Bless.

We miss him ?
He had such a unique take on life

I'm nor going to comment on what Boyle said - because I don't know the full comment, nor the context - only what the Daily Mail reported he said, and I've got a small tub of salt that I keep by to pinch when I read the DM.

What I don't like about him though is that on two occasions I know of, he's made jokes at the expense of other people's disadvantages over which they have no control. Rebecca Adlington's nose - that was just plain nasty. Katie Price's son - even worse because the boy didn't have the capacity to hit back. It's one thing to mock someone over their traits and beliefs, but ridiculing someone because of their disability or appearance indicates a rather unpleasant mindset, so I personally don't care how long ago it was, he's got a mentality / make up that I find repulsive.

Further, I also think he's wasted his talent, he is perceptive, has a really good grasp of the English language and is able to use it in an articulate and 'biting' mode when he's writing or talking on the political landscape. But punching below the belt has diminished him in my eyes.

Some of us have red lines. Others don't care much one way or the other, and some would urge that not 'getting over it' is narrow-minded or even obsessive. So be it, that's the way people are.. FB crossed the boundary line as far a I am concerned.

I've got a small tub of salt that I keep by to pinch when I read the DM
???

I'm a salt thrower too but have never heard of it being thrown if anyone reads the DM!!

Excellent post Dickens
Attacking the disabled, the vulnerable, mocking people's appearance is beyond the pale and, quite honestly, were it anyone else, they would probably find themselves in serious trouble for hate speech.

Lucca

Callistemon21

Oh yes, I'd forgotten that.

Could you post the recipe again please Lucca

With pleasure.
www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/express_lasagne_51375

Thanks Lucca

Frankie Boyle has insulted just about every sort of person you can think of. It's his selling point. That's why people go to see him. If you don't like it you don't have to listen to him. He was funny , but very rude when he did his New World Order show on TV.

Callistemon21

^I've got a small tub of salt that I keep by to pinch when I read the DM^
???

I'm a salt thrower too but have never heard of it being thrown if anyone reads the DM!!

... well, I don't throw the whole tub you know... just a little pinch whilst reading some of their 'exclusive' stories...

Bellanonna

I’ve nothing at all against Scotland or the Scot’s, but I thoroughly dislike that man and wholeheartedly agree with most of the comments on here. I remember how cruel he was about Rebecca Adlington’s nose, liking her to a dolphin. Poor Rebecca - I think she had a rhinoplasty after that. He stoops very low, that man.

Saw him on the Last Leg a couple of weeks ago. He was cracking jokes about people dying. Seriously unfunny individual.

Forestflame

Bellanonna

I’ve nothing at all against Scotland or the Scot’s, but I thoroughly dislike that man and wholeheartedly agree with most of the comments on here. I remember how cruel he was about Rebecca Adlington’s nose, liking her to a dolphin. Poor Rebecca - I think she had a rhinoplasty after that. He stoops very low, that man.

Saw him on the Last Leg a couple of weeks ago. He was cracking jokes about people dying. Seriously unfunny individual.

I think you can make jokes about the 'human condition' - which could include death / dying / sickness, etc - in the abstract... but not when it's personalised. And certainly not when the joke is at the expense of an individual - like Katie Price's son who, in the innocence of his condition, cannot know that he is being mocked. That's about as low as you can get.

It wasn't a joke, it was simply a smart-arse deriding a child with a disability for a laugh.

It takes intelligence, awareness, and wit to make self-depreciating jokes about sensitive subjects - and a kindness of spirit and mind. Anyone can make jokes about another's misfortune - school children do it all the time... Fortunately, they usually mature and grow out of that phase.

but not when it's personalised
Absolutely!!

Just read the article about Mock The Week finishing after the next series, and Dara O Briain talks about how competitive Frankie Boyle and Russell Howard were. I certainly remember FB being very competitive, and not really funny at all, to the point where I muted the TV whenever he opened his mouth. Very often it was on mute for pretty much half of the show. Whatever his reasons for this particular bit of his latest stand up, he certainly didn't need to mention Holly Willoughby by name. It must be truly upsetting for her to see her name in the papers linked to him talking about having non consensual sex with her, and killing her, no matter what the context is.

It’s a retake on an old Peep Show joke. Which has a very different context and dynamic so is actually funny in a dark way. But then Jesse Armstrong is a much better writer than Frankie Boyle.

The Peep Show joke is a line from Mark’s internal monologue, Mark obviously being a fictional character unlike Holly Willoughby, and also where he’s positioned as the victim, which gives the entire joke a different power dynamic and isn’t punching down. The scenario is Mark is wildly afraid of teenagers in hoodies and is convinced he, a middle aged man, will be the victim of gang violence. He is anxiously ruminating on this and internally remakes “They’ll probably rape and kill me. I hope they kill me before they rape me, though. That way, I sort of win”.

Recontextualised as FB has, the joke starts tacking much closer to the infamous “Girls Scream Aloud” case and becomes greatly distasteful.

There are very few genuinely funny jokes about this subject, and all of them are very dark and require a certain dynamic and frankly a very bitter recognition to work. There’s Sarah Silverman’s notorious lines on the subject: “Tell rape jokes if you want. Who’s going to complain? The rape victims in the audience? Rape victims don’t even report their rapes.” Which, by inverting the trope about the “easily offended” and in the context of the drastically poor rape reporting rate with which we are all familiar, suddenly punches up as a joke. It’s very dark but the rape victims are not the target of the joke; the clueless clowns telling them are.

There’s also the legendary Its Always Sunny In Philadelphia scene, “The Implication”, which is probably the best explanation of sexually coercive behaviour ever committed to television. The genius of the joke is that Dennis, like all the men who use sexually coercive behaviour, is fully and intentionally aware that the behaviour is coercive, and also that that threat of potential violence is what makes the coercion work. “She could say no. But she’s not gonna say no, because of The Implication.” It’s a scene much used to explain to the (intentionally?) clueless about how and why sexual coercion works so often on women. Mac pushes back, only to realise that yep, Dennis actually means everything he says. Dark as hell, but…. Everyone knows a Dennis. Dennis in the show is just completely open about it. Amazing trope inversion.

youtu.be/-yUafzOXHPE

Thank you muffin, those examples are really useful.

Dear me.

So much deconstruction of a monologue that nobody has even heard.

So a woman, or somebody called Dennis that I've never heard of, can say the same thing, and that's acceptable, but not Boyle because he doesn't look good and he's Scottish.

We are talking about comedy and in particular in relation to women. We are talking about the difference between punching up and down. You make disagree that's up to you.

May disagree even.

I know (and like) Frankie personally a little. Friends of friends etc. And his stage persona is absolutely that, a persona. But someone with a long rep for edgy material is never going to get the benefit of the doubt in general on highly sensitive material. I think he gets a raw deal in comparison to Jimmy Carr, who doesn’t attempt anything clever or subversive with edgy material, he just throws out the worst things he can think of and thinks it makes him funny. But I do think the reference to Holly, a real person, was probably not the wisest here. It makes the whole line of humour feel…. personalised? in a way that’s disturbing. Which is partially the aim, to disturb, but still. I have always thought the Harvey Price material was beyond the line of being funny. But everyone has their own taste.

Frankie Boyle is a disgusting person .
He is not funny .

It is estimated that one in four women , one in sixth children and one in 20 men have been sexually assaulted in the UK .

Anyone , who has experienced it often has a lifetime of coping with post traumatic stress disorder .

Apart from that , the joke about the Queen having a haunted
p---y has to be one of the worst " jokes " that I've ever heard .