So called jokes about rape!

Frankie Boyle is funny. Often.

Sometimes he's not.

Calling someone a disgusting person is pretty low though. Even though you don't like their joke about the Queen. Were you watching or did you get your indignation second hand?

The risk of policing jokes is higher than the risk of letting unpleasant stuff through.
I suspect a lot of the 'I am challenging the narrative' stuff will be viewed in a different way in years to come. I think Little Britain tried that tactic when people started to say er not sure about this. So it may be that we view the likes of FB in the way we view sone of the old style mil joke comedians, in years to come or he may be hailed as a progressive feminist who knows.
But who would make the decisions of what is allowed. Who gets to make that choice.

volver

Dear me.

So much deconstruction of a monologue that nobody has even heard.

So a woman, or somebody called Dennis that I've never heard of, can say the same thing, and that's acceptable, but not Boyle because he doesn't look good and he's Scottish.

but not Boyle because he doesn't look good and he's Scottish.

Being as objective as is possible, I cannot see anything wrong with the way FB looks. Being subjective - his appearance is ordinary - I could even suggest he 'looks cuddly' in the way that some men with beards possess that attribute.

Being Scottish is irrelevant, too. Although, personally, I'm quite partial to Scottish people in general. And the Irish, especially those from the RoI. But that's just a quirk of mine.

I wouldn't comment on the "monologue' because I haven't heard it - only the DM's interpretation of it and like much of the DM's content, probably needs to be taken with a good pinch of the proverbial... "Click-Bait" editorials are not usually reliable sources of information.

It was reported in several more reputable newspaper - including The Scotsman? so I think the Daily Nail reference is a red herring - it’s not true because it was in the Daily Mail.

Well yes, but heard and objected to by a large number of people at the Latitude Festival who questioned him in person at his later book signing.

So he did make a joke about killing and raping Holly Willoughby.

I wonder if the people defending him would defend a someone who publicly named their granddaughter as a someone they would like to rape and kill.

Galaxy

The risk of policing jokes is higher than the risk of letting unpleasant stuff through.
I suspect a lot of the 'I am challenging the narrative' stuff will be viewed in a different way in years to come. I think Little Britain tried that tactic when people started to say er not sure about this. So it may be that we view the likes of FB in the way we view sone of the old style mil joke comedians, in years to come or he may be hailed as a progressive feminist who knows.
But who would make the decisions of what is allowed. Who gets to make that choice.

On balance, I'm more worried about "policing" than I am about being offended.

As you say - who gets to make that choice?

I can recover from being offended - I can respond. No-one can do anything if they are 'policed' because they won't have a voice.

I tell you what this free speech thing is a pain in the butt. I cant believe I am defending FB s rights . Am sure he will be very grateful. However the same rights needs to be applied to all and that includes jokes FB doesnt like.

I didn't see the performance .

I have seen his other performances and found them offensive .

I stand by calling Frankie Boyle disgusting .

I can think of far worse words to describe him .

I don't suppose the Queen nor Holly Willoughby are laughing and neither is any woman , who has been raped .

I don’t think the naming of a specific person as a target for violence comes under the heading of Free Speech.

If I named a poster here on Gransnet and said I would like to assault and kill them my post would rightly be taken down. Actually somebody once suggested that I should hang myself, another poster reported it and it was quickly removed.

It’s a kind of bullying.

The Daily Mail thing....

The Daily Mail took a section of his monologue and paraphrased it. Then the other "reputable newspapers" reported what the Daily Mail had said.

Whether one likes FB or not, the inability to understand that a "news story" has been confected is a concern for democracy.

Exactly Lathryus, either hate speech, bullying whatever. Unacceptable, not funny

Well yes, but heard and objected to by a large number of people at the Latitude Festival who questioned him in person at his later book signing.

One person questioned him, in Waterstones, at a different event. Several days later.

Honestly, read for comprehension, please.

Galaxy

I tell you what this free speech thing is a pain in the butt. I cant believe I am defending FB s rights . Am sure he will be very grateful. However the same rights needs to be applied to all and that includes jokes FB doesnt like.

I cant believe I am defending FB s rights

Yup! Me too.

But, it makes sense. Defending free-speech means you have to accept hearing opinions (or 'jokes' in this case) that you don't agree with and supporting those individuals you don't like!

Hear hear, Dickens and Galaxy.

But free speech also allows me to say dont be surprised when people police jokes if you do the same to others. And what applies to FB also applies to Jim Davidson etc etc.

Oh, absolutely.

My late FiL loved Chubby Brown. ??

And saying that you think another comedian's jokes are "lazy" doesn't amount to "policing" them.

Yup Dickens and Galaxy
But - and there always has to be one doesn't there? - if you hear something you find offensive then you need to say so, ideally to the person.

Yesterday I heard on the radio - Radio 4 6 o'clock news I think - that Mock the Week is to be axed. One of the reasons given was contributions from Mr Boyle that had been found offensive.

'Fraid I stopped watching it a while ago as it's well past my bedtime!

I rather like Stephen Fry's take on being offended.

It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so effing what."

Obviously he didn't say effing but I didn't want to cause offence ;-)

Frankie Boyle hasn't been on MtW for 13 years. I'm not convinced its being cancelled because of him.

Despite all the argy bargy over whether he is funny or not, it can't be only me that sees people (intentionally?) misunderstanding news stories and blaming things on other people when they are not involved at all? If we can do that to comedians, why does no-one see that it is also happening to politicians, just because people will believe what they are told if it fits with thier preconceptions?

their preconceptions

I would have thought Mock the Week has just run its course, I think the same about HIGN. Stephen Fry is quite interesting on free speech and on collaboration with people on 'opposing' sides.

volver

Frankie Boyle hasn't been on MtW for 13 years. I'm not convinced its being cancelled because of him.

Despite all the argy bargy over whether he is funny or not, it can't be only me that sees people (intentionally?) misunderstanding news stories and blaming things on other people when they are not involved at all? If we can do that to comedians, why does no-one see that it is also happening to politicians, just because people will believe what they are told if it fits with thier preconceptions?

Paraphrasing politicians' comments is rife on certain social media sites.

I once had to remove a comment I'd made relating to something Boris Johnson had said (in his 'previous' life) when I realised what I'd copied had itself been paraphrased - in order to give a false impression of his opinion.

What he actually said, and what was paraphrased, gave two entirely different perspectives. As much as I dislike Johnson, I had to remove the comment in the interests of honesty and accuracy.

Both the Right and the Left do sometimes do this in order to support their arguments, and it's dangerous to democracy. And, again, that sometimes means defending people you don' like.

The FB not looking good comment is apropos of his very undermining remarks he made about Rebecca Addlington's looks, as I mentioned before, she is not even someone who has ever traded on her appearance. Who is he to undermine her in such a public and humiliating way???? She was very hurt by that. As you regularly point out to all and sundry when a poster makes a negative comment about whoever "I'm sure they'll care" A bit of quid pro quo directed his way seems appropriate under the circumstances. He knows some of what he says, is highly personal and offensive he came back twice to take another shot at RA so clearly he doesn't give a shiny shit about other people's feelings. When he takes actual people and their physical disabilities and appearances into the public domain to be ridiculed well maybe the toxicity in the Boyle needs lancing

I don't think I've ever said "I'm sure they'll care". But I'm sure you'll be able to find an example of me doing that, with some dogged investigation.

(Question - can someone explain to me how I can avoid all and sundry reading my posts when I'm on an open discussions forum? It seems to annoy some people. Thx)

volver Frankie Boyle hasn't been on MtW for 13 years. I'm not convinced its being cancelled because of him.

nevertheless, Radio 4 6 o'clock news last night

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0019rjw

about 23 minutes in.

Just out of interest, what would be the criteria for the 'all and sundry' exclusion group?

lixy

volver Frankie Boyle hasn't been on MtW for 13 years. I'm not convinced its being cancelled because of him.

nevertheless, Radio 4 6 o'clock news last night

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0019rjw

about 23 minutes in.

Just out of interest, what would be the criteria for the 'all and sundry' exclusion group?

The link you gave, at 23 minutes in, doesn't say that the cancellation of the show has anything to do with FB's appearances. Serious question - how do people manage to hear things that nobody has said? How does that work, really?

As for all and sundry, you'll have to ask Terribull if you want clarification.