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More royal pomp and circumstance.

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vivvq Wed 05-Jul-23 16:07:12

I genuinely felt upset and then angry at today's royal event in Edinburgh. How much of our money did it cost?
We have already had a fortune spent on the Queen's funeral and the King's coronation at a time when families
can't afford to feed their children and people are waiting for years for essential medical treatment. When the BBC commentator announced that the eyes of the world were on Scotland I had to turn off the TV.

Callistemon21 Fri 07-Jul-23 14:44:14

Bijou

There were posts saying that Charles has Scottish blood. But Only from the Queen Mother. Before that there was all German right from George the first. George fifth had to change their name in the First World War.
Victoria a German, married a German. Prince Philip was mainly Greek.
Who pays for the life guards and all the horses who attend these ceremonial occasions ?

The German side of the family is descended from Mary Queen of Scots via James I and VI and his granddaughter Sophia of Hanover.
The Act of Settlement ensured that only Protestants (descended from Sophia of Hanover) could succeed to the British throne.

Callistemon21 Fri 07-Jul-23 14:45:59

The Greek Royal family was actually Danish!!

MayBee70 Fri 07-Jul-23 15:16:15

Alexander the Great was a pharaoh…( this is probably totally irrelevant to the thread but I’m in and out of the house today and not reading anything properly)

Farzanah Fri 07-Jul-23 15:40:40

Another irrelevancy but if you go back only 1,000 years all Europeans share a common ancestry any way, so it doesn’t really matter.

Mollygo Fri 07-Jul-23 16:28:48

LRavenscroft
I suppose the RF put on their empathy faces and promise a better world to those less fortunate (I must have missed hearing that promise) whilst wearing THE most expensive attire and attending THE most expensive events in the same way that everyone else does. On GN we talk about food banks and child poverty on one thread and buying expensive clothes, or food or where we’re going on holiday etc on another.
We don’t know how much the RF. or GNs contribute to charitable causes.

nadateturbe Fri 07-Jul-23 18:56:45

But GN contribute their own money.

Mollygo Fri 07-Jul-23 19:23:37

nadateturbe

But GN contribute their own money.

And GN contribute great entertainment.

Callistemon21 Fri 07-Jul-23 20:28:41

nadateturbe

But GN contribute their own money.

I expect the Royal Family do too.

The Sovereign Grant to fund the monarch's official duties is separate.
It is funded from the Crown Estate.

You could check to see if they are cheekily making charitable donations out of the Sovereign Grant instead of paying their
staff or mending the holes in roof of Buck8ngham Palace.

www.royal.uk/media-pack/financial-reports-2022-23

Elegran Fri 07-Jul-23 21:24:18

The official financial statement was released very recently. It seems that they spent more than the Sovereign Grant due to the exceptional nature of the last year.

" In total, the Royal Household’s net expenditure was reported to be £107.5 million ($136 million), compared to the total Sovereign Grant of £86.3 million ($109.1 million) and the additional income of £9.8 million ($12.4 million).

The Sovereign Grant – an annual lump sum from the government – is essentially an expense account, covering the costs of travel, security, staff and the upkeep of royal palaces. The Royal family’s three main sources of income are the Sovereign Grant, the Duchy of Lancaster and Duchy of Cornwall estates and their personal property and investments.

“Official expenditure was more than the Sovereign Grant and the supplementary income earned, with net expenditure of £107.5 million ($136 million), a 5% increase on the previous year due to significant work relating to the Reservicing of Buckingham Palace and the costs associated with the change of Reign, as well as the impact of the Consumer Price Index rising by 10.1%,” Buckingham Palace said in a statement.

The high official expenditure saw the Sovereign Grant reserve reduce by £20.7 million ($26.2 million) in the last year. (The reserve is a kind of emergency fund for just this kind of overflow expenditure.

Elegran Fri 07-Jul-23 21:29:28

Nothing in the Sovereign Grant about charity donations. It looks as though those were made out of their own money, and without publicity - which is the correct way to donate.

Anniebach Fri 07-Jul-23 21:47:22

They do give generously but it is never made public

nadateturbe Fri 07-Jul-23 22:49:48

Well, it depends on what you consider is their "own" money and we've been here before. History of how monarchs acquired wealth..........

Mollygo Fri 07-Jul-23 23:32:07

History of how anyone acquires wealth. Some work for it. Others acquire it by gaining power over others. Some inherit it. Some make money by dubious financial practices.

Aveline Sat 08-Jul-23 07:21:57

Well said Mollygo. That's exactly it.

nadateturbe Sun 09-Jul-23 09:56:58

Mollygo

History of how anyone acquires wealth. Some work for it. Others acquire it by gaining power over others. Some inherit it. Some make money by dubious financial practices.

And your point is?....

Callistemon21 Sun 09-Jul-23 09:59:15

Mollygo

History of how anyone acquires wealth. Some work for it. Others acquire it by gaining power over others. Some inherit it. Some make money by dubious financial practices.

It's how people use or abuse it that is important.

Mollygo Sun 09-Jul-23 10:12:20

It's how people use or abuse it that is important.
I agree, but people’s views on using it or abusing it differ, in the same way as people’s views on having more than one home, or more than one car, or more than one holiday or more than two children differ. Some see it as a right, some see it as greedy some see it as unfair.

Farzanah Sun 09-Jul-23 10:15:44

So true Callistemon. Unfortunately love of it can become addictive and all encompassing, surpassing any other considerations.

Aveline Sun 09-Jul-23 10:16:18

It's just life. Nobody ever said that it was fair!

nadateturbe Sun 09-Jul-23 11:29:51

So what wealth have British monarchs in history earned legitimately. 🤔

nadateturbe Sun 09-Jul-23 11:31:38

Aveline

It's just life. Nobody ever said that it was fair!

Life isn't fair Avelinetrue, and we can't solve the problem totally but....

Anniebach Sun 09-Jul-23 11:33:42

Are we responsible for the actions of our ancestors?

Kamiso Sun 09-Jul-23 12:06:43

Callistemon21

And - you'd be doing this every four years for a President
(Don't believe it would be different- it wouldn't)

At least this is the first such occasion for 70 years therefore much more economical than having a President.

Plus paying outgoing presidents a huge pension and lifetime security with a new one elected every five years with a big inauguration ceremony no doubt.

Imagine the disappointment to loyal Scot’s if Charles ignored them and didn’t make any acknowledgment. They had their chance to vote and decided to stay, so time they stopped decrying democracy so persistently.

I am sure Putin would welcome them if they can’t cope with the democratic process.

Kamiso Sun 09-Jul-23 12:11:33

Anniebach

Are we responsible for the actions of our ancestors?

It seems that we are now, according to some very loud organisations. Dismantling monuments and statues was the first stage.

Very odd as mostly we don’t know any ancestors much further back than our grandparents with possible tales of their parents.

nadateturbe Sun 09-Jul-23 13:37:28

Anniebach

Are we responsible for the actions of our ancestors?

I'm only concerned with a family who we pay a generous wage to, and the answer where they are concerned is yes. Even those in favour of having a monarchy can see its wrong to defend the accumulation of wealth and our attitude to them. They are not special people.