Trans Teacher

What has that got to do with 'gender' though? And what has 'gender' got to do with toxic masculinity, which of course I also believe we can do without,

Abolish all the gender norms \o/

We've come full circle. If we abolished all gender norms there would be no need for people to transition, or to feel that they are 'in the wrong gender', whatever that means.

This is what people have been saying on these threads since the dawn of time, but get shouted down for our pains.

VioletSky

Abolish all the gender norms \o/

Not sure how you 'abolish' gender norms other than not enforcing them. Great let's do that, and acknowledge sex is immutable and decided by your DNA not 'assigned' by anyone. Teach respect for sex differences and the absolute right to privacy, safety, dignity and same sex spaces. Win, win.

I'm in! Where do we sign?

VioletSky

Well it's about time we did away with toxic masculinity... without it we would never have needed feminism in the first place

I view men being more open to the idea of wearing pink, flowers and now skirts as progress towards equality we have always fought for

I view men being more open to the idea of wearing pink, flowers and now skirts as progress towards equality we have always fought for

Men wearing pink and flowers will not empower women, men wore pink, flowers, lace, frills and perfume in the 18th century - and I don't think it had any effect on women's equality with men. It wasn't until the end of the century that women's role as housekeeper and child-bearer, when her sole purpose was to find a husband, obey him and re-produce, began to change.

The empowerment of women comes from having the same power as men, the same economic freedom.

And, back in the 19th century - many children wore white - it was easier to clean - using bleach. When colours were eventually chosen - pink was for boys, and blue for girls!

Well Violet, you’re sadly wrong. The trans women in frocks and full makeup who threatened to rape my friend to death with their lady dicks were clearly not remotely interested in equality

On the skirt issue. There are many reasons women chose to wear trousers - men can’t look up them and they’re more practical for many activities. They’re also warmer in winter amongst a few positives

If trans people still exist without gender norms, still wanting different anatomy

We will know for sure it is a biological reality that for some, something goes wrong in early development and their sex is wrong for them

Iam64

Well Violet, you’re sadly wrong. The trans women in frocks and full makeup who threatened to rape my friend to death with their lady dicks were clearly not remotely interested in equality

On the skirt issue. There are many reasons women chose to wear trousers - men can’t look up them and they’re more practical for many activities. They’re also warmer in winter amongst a few positives

I'm giving little attention to this as it is not representative of trans people as a whole and wildly inappropriate to use as a method of proving me "wrong"

That’s up to you of course. I’m not suggesting it’s representative of the majority of trans people. It’s certainly representative of a noisy, aggressive, vocal group of activists. We may not like it, we may wish it to be different , but it lives amongst us and is ignored at our peril

How times change. In the power cuts of the 1970s there was much discussion in my primary school about whether we women teachers should be allowed to wear trousers at school to keep warm.

Toxic, bitter women pose more of a threat, I don’t know why so many hate men, surely some have sons they kind of like even if their fathers were absent.

Allsorts

Toxic, bitter women pose more of a threat, I don’t know why so many hate men, surely some have sons they kind of like even if their fathers were absent.

What do toxic bitter women have to do with any of this?

I love my sons, am not sure why the hate men thing is being bandied about, is it because there is a discussion on make violence, that often makes people jumpy.

Male violence even.
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But the father of my children is still hanging around so I guess I dont fall into the group of women who are toxic. It's all very confusing.

VioletSky

If trans people still exist without gender norms, still wanting different anatomy

We will know for sure it is a biological reality that for some, something goes wrong in early development and their sex is wrong for them

Biological reality is that you are the sex determined by your DNA. Not being happy with the physical presentation your sex displays does not mean their sex is wrong for them. Besides which you know as well as I do that the vast majority of transwomen retain their penis. Some even claim to be lesbians and want to use that same penis for sexual activity with women with a vagina. Remarkably like heterosexual activity.

Allsorts Toxic, bitter women pose more of a threat, I don’t know why so many hate men, surely some have sons they kind of like even if their fathers were absent. who is hating men? I have a husband and four sons, all of whom are lovely men. My dad was an ever present, as was my brother. They all have very individual personalities but guess what they have in common.......they respect women, and women's rights to privacy, dignity, safety and same sex spaces.

Galaxy

But the father of my children is still hanging around so I guess I dont fall into the group of women who are toxic. It's all very confusing.

As my husband still puts up with me and my sons all want to spend time with me I guess I'm not a member of the toxic women group either

Where are the ‘men haters’ here Allsorts? I love my husband still, my grandsons and my many male friends. I enjoyed working with men

Has anyone mentioned Kayla Lemieux - someone who has taken personal identity expression to the ultimate degree?

It's the fact that people are willing to lump the whole of the trans community into a representation of male toxicity while allowing that some men are wonderful and respectful of women that highlights exactly the lack of logic in many of the arguments here

Nobody has lumped 'the trans community' into anything, and particularly not male toxicity. In fact, the only person mentioning toxic masculinity is you, VS.

I'm another with a lovely husband, a lovely son, and lovely male friends. I know that toxicity exists, but it doesn't impinge on me very often.

VioletSky

It's the fact that people are willing to lump the whole of the trans community into a representation of male toxicity while allowing that some men are wonderful and respectful of women that highlights exactly the lack of logic in many of the arguments here

I think your statement here is acknowledging that TW are men and for sure some will be wonderful and respectful of women, but there's a proportion who make themselves very visible by continuing to display male toxicity, especially those delightful specimens who carry banners, for example, inviting 'terfs' to suck their lady dicks. I'd suggest your logic of if men wore pink and flowers equality would be advanced is illogical. Nobody lumps the whole trans community into a representation of male toxicity. For a start I've not seen anybody say transmen suddenly become toxic and violent.

I've been present for many threads about trans people and trust me, I don't lie

VioletSky

I've been present for many threads about trans people and trust me, I don't lie

Who has said that you lie?

I think that your posts are often illogical, but that's because I don't acknowledge that TWAW is a step in a logical argument, IYSWIM.