Trans Teacher

Well, it's the truth

You guys wait for the majority to lose interest in the thread and then it starts again...

If it isn't me, it's glorianny or Fleur or all the others who avoid any mention of "trans" like it's the plague these days

Never any self reflection or personal growth

You can't see it because you are too deep in it, you are justifying it to yourself

Do better, these threads will become a graveyard of the same small group, achieving nothing but an echo chamber.

VS, since you’re busy hurling accusations, this one is so applicable to you, you could have written it yourself.

Never any self reflection or personal growth You can't see it because you are too deep in it, you are justifying it to yourself.

Very playground

I like people disagreeing with me, that’s not the issue at-all

That statement helps put into context many of your comments Violet. Posting provocative comments, that are often difficult to understand, or are passive aggressive digs at others does seem to confirm you enjoy disagreement for its own sake

VioletSky

I've just seen how that will be twisted

*I like debate*

Told you it would be twisted

Rest my case

Yes, Iam and coming back to snipe at an attempt at explaining where we are coming from is more of the same. The 'very playground' post made me laugh out loud, which rarely happens on these threads. The irony and lack of self-awareness is actually comical.

Argghh! I said upthread that this is all about VS, and it's happening again, isn't it?

VioletSky

VioletSky

I've just seen how that will be twisted

*I like debate*

Told you it would be twisted

Yes, as a pre-emptive strike when you realised that the passive aggression was so obvious

Exactly as I said upthread, any defence is met with 'told you so!' After it was pointed out, I didn't think even you would have the brass neck to actually say it.

The only alternative was to leave the slur unchallenged. The tactics are transparent, but even when we point them out you keep doing it.

That's just a lie doodledog

I realised I worded it badly and that would be taken advantage of

I also knew I wouldn't be believed when I clarified

It is very predictable

Why do you think the same person who stopped using the word "cis" because it offended people even though it is just a word to me, is here to deliberately provoke you?

The same person who leaves the trans threads for months at a time to get away from this very same nonsense?

Stop trying to justify this behaviour

I said it would happen and it did, I do love debate, I have said so many times... this is not a debate

VioletSky

That's just a lie doodledog

I realised I worded it badly and that would be taken advantage of

I also knew I wouldn't be believed when I clarified

It is very predictable

Your perception is not my reality.

It's ok though. You can try to reconcile that with yourself. Lol.

VS, since you’re busy hurling accusations, this one is so applicable to you, you could have written it yourself.

Never any self reflection or personal growth. You can't see it because you are too deep in it, you are justifying it to yourself.

Today 15:13 VioletSky

Very playground

🤣🤣🤣 Good response when the truth hurts you.
VS, You’re the one trying desperately to justify what you put.

Is there anything else you guys would like to tell me about myself?

Shall I start passing all my life decisions to you guys since you know me better than I do?

You do know this stuff doesn't bother me right? I grew up with it and I have been through the counselling for abuse tactics.. it doesn't work on me

VS Is there anything else you guys would like to tell me about myself?

I haven’t told you anything about you VS.
You tell more than I ever need to know, about so many aspects of your life.

If you want to start a discussion about you VS, start a new thread.

This thread was about a man in a skirt.

Your flurry of recent posts which imply
It's all about you (it's about you)
It's all about you, baby (it's all about)
It's all about you (it's about you)
It's all about you

But it shouldn’t be.

You made the thread about me

You have the option to keep doing that or stop

VioletSky

Well, it's the truth

You guys wait for the majority to lose interest in the thread and then it starts again...

If it isn't me, it's glorianny or Fleur or all the others who avoid any mention of "trans" like it's the plague these days

Never any self reflection or personal growth

You can't see it because you are too deep in it, you are justifying it to yourself

Do better, these threads will become a graveyard of the same small group, achieving nothing but an echo chamber.

If it isn't me, it's glorianny or Fleur or all the others who avoid any mention of "trans" like it's the plague these days

That's just laughable - those you mention, and yourself included, do not avoid the subject of "trans" at all - you are all quite willing to join in when you want to say what you think. Neither Fleur not Glorianny are shrinking violets" Please!

Never any self reflection or personal growth. You can't see it because you are too deep in it, you are justifying it to yourself. Do better, these threads will become a graveyard of the same small group, achieving nothing but an echo chamber.

Just listen to yourself, really.

You asked me upthread if I'd "finished telling" you all about yourself... yet here you are, telling us who and what we are - and what we should do about it!

Sheesh!

When someone makes a statement on a topic they are passionate about, which for me is equality

You then have the option to look at them and see passion or look for an excuse to disagree because you do not like their views on the issue of trans people

You looked for an excuse to cause an argument

All I have done is defended myself and pointed out how wrong what you are doing is

I think we are all passionate about equality. What do you think makes you more so than anyone else?

If anyone is continuing disagreement on this thread, it is you, VS. You post goady posts, then come back with a one-liner when someone replies to them.

You tell us that we are looking for disagreement because of your views on trans people, then accuse us of telling you about yourself.

All we are doing is defending ourselves against the passive aggressive slurs in the majority of your posts, but you claim that it is you who is being attacked.

When we point out your tactics, and explain how your passive aggression works in practice, then you claim that you are telling us what we are doing wrong. It's all very 'backatcha', yet you accuse us of behaving as though we are in the playground.

I appreciate that I am adding to the thread that has now become another one all about you, but I have genuinely tried to show, with examples, why it is that people find it impossible to debate with you. I sometimes wonder whether you do it on purpose, either for attention or just to wind people up.

It's actually quite a complex issue with regard to equality. I know there has been some correlation on this thread between women wearing trousers etc and men wearing skirts.. But there is an elephant in the room that complicates things. I like to think that I have been very clear during these discussions that I view clothes make up etc as nothing to do with someones sex they are stereotypes enforced by society. So Adam Ant, and all the gender non conforming men from years ago were men challenging gender norms and it was great. I dont care what people wear. But it has become very clear that some men are sexually aroused by wearing womens clothes. What the hell do we do about this.

Where did I say I was more passionate than anyone else doodledog

That is another thing that is wrong

Galaxy

It's actually quite a complex issue with regard to equality. I know there has been some correlation on this thread between women wearing trousers etc and men wearing skirts.. But there is an elephant in the room that complicates things. I like to think that I have been very clear during these discussions that I view clothes make up etc as nothing to do with someones sex they are stereotypes enforced by society. So Adam Ant, and all the gender non conforming men from years ago were men challenging gender norms and it was great. I dont care what people wear. But it has become very clear that some men are sexually aroused by wearing womens clothes. What the hell do we do about this.

I agree with you, I think some men do fetishise women in that way

Some are probably harmless and some definitely aren't

As a society we have so many mental health problems that exist... my education has gone in a specific direction on that one so, is probably going to come from what I have learned and not a wider stance. When I think about how many children are growing up with ACEs (adverse childhood experiences) and the impact this has on mental health, I think that as a society, ensuring children have positive childhoods and equality of opportunity to reach their full potential in life would bring about a huge positive change... and even if that didn't help with this exact issue, it would free up the resources for it

Good question, Galaxy. I don't know the answer, unfortunately. I do know that the classroom is no place for fetishes though.

I agree that clothes have no link to sex - in fact very few people on this thread have suggested that they think otherwise. It's the context, not the clothes that are the issue.

VioletSky

Where did I say I was more passionate than anyone else doodledog

That is another thing that is wrong

You can imply without saying it outright, which is my very point.

I wasn't implying anything

Also real discussion has started again and I would rather engage with that

Good. Me too. If you can stop the goading, maybe the thread will get back on topic.