Thinking about this football winners kiss .

All he had to do was quickly and publicly apologise. The female footballer doesn’t need to justify or excuse her own behaviour.

When I was a young woman starting work in the 1970s inappropriate behaviour by male work colleagues was common practice. I had a boss who had a mirror positioned so he could see up your skirt when he called you into to his office. We are now 50 years on and although times have changed this incident just shows how men still do not respect womens boundaries. The bit I felt most uncomfortable with more than the kiss was him grabbing his crotch during the match.

. I seem to remember feeling chuffed when workmen wolf-whistled at sixteen-year old me back in 1967.

We have had a wolf-whistle conversation on Gransnet before- and I think many of us, (even those of us not particularly fantastic looking) got this all the time and loathed it.

Vetrep

She was perfectly happy at the time - she has her hands on his waist and was laughing. Another example of the press and Woke brigade blowing everything out of proportion.

She was in front of the world. She may well have had her hands on his waist but was probably expecting the traditional kiss on each cheek not a full frontal assault.
As the police have charged the man, I suspect they have looked at the evidence with regards to coercion and decided that there was enough to take this further. If this man feels he is completely innocent, he will have his day in court to prove that. I should think that is better than being accused of something and being unable to prove you are innocent.

I remember those lecherous, slobbery kisses we thought we had to put up with in the seventies too. So glad the pendulum has shifted so that it no longer should occur. I also remember the abuse my friend took from men for refusing to give kisses at new year. I now wish I’d been as strong as her.

I can’t believe anyone on here would excuse what Rubiales did as being part of his culture or even saying she didn’t protest too much. What he did was diabolical by any standards and those on here who find it acceptable should think how they’d fee if it was their daughter or granddaughter. It was a quick kiss on the cheek it was a full on the lips kiss and by holding her head she couldn’t even move out of the way. He deserves any punishment he gets.

And if she responded warmly to his kiss ?

She had just won the world cup, which probably is why she didn't lose her smile in front of the world's TV stations. He was not entitled to grab and kiss her on the lips and his refusal to accept he'd even made a mistake, let alone was out of order is disgusting. The man deserved to go and I hope all the other neanderthal predators in the Spanish sports world take note.

The bad behaviour from men that women and girls had to put up with in the 60s, 70s and beyond did not only extend to touching.

I was 20 and in my first job. The office manager aged 40+ came in one morning, and took one look at me and said "Sparklefizz, you're looking very pale this morning. Has your period just started?" in front of the men in the office.

There's no excuse for what he did. The sensible thing would have been for him to apologise afterwards and say he got carried away in the heat of the jubilation.

But no. He dug himself a deeper hole. And those who don’t condemn his action are just as bad.

I think he was so happy and euphoric about their win
There are scenes of women kissing women at this time no one said anything about this
It totally distracts from their football achievements
I am in no way suggesting men or women go around kissing on the mouth without consent but this has been taken out of all proportion

Oh no it hasn’t!

"Happy and euophoric". If that mean he'd had a drop too much to drink, maybe so, but I saw it as a lecher taking the opportunity for a quick snog whether the world was watching or not.

I was once embraced enthusiastically by a friends mother ( whom I barely knew). My instinct was to smile back and receive the hug just as the footballer did, despite the surprise! The lady in question mistook me for her soon to be daughter in law who looked similar (she wasn’t wearing her glasses) and was expected to arrive later. Of course we both apologised and had a laugh!

What I meant is that the footballers response of not avoiding the kiss does not mean the kiss was unwelcome.

Not avoiding the kiss does not mean the kiss was welcome.

Margiknot

What I meant is that the footballers response of not avoiding the kiss does not mean the kiss was unwelcome.

How do you avoid it when your head is firmly gripped?

Spit in his face in front of millions of viewers?

Why not ?

Anniebach

Why not ?

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I don't think there was much room!

I'm the first person to shout for women's rights but I do think this is ridiculous. Jenni Hermoso was not under any threat for goodness sake - there were millions of people watching and it was just an exuberant kiss because he was so delighted - and Spanish! All this angry, affronted, prudish jumping around by women is about something else - a deeper, more general anger. We should be focusing on the outrages in some countries where women have to wear the hijab, for instance, or suffer FGM, or sold into slavery. Millions of women are suffering far, far worse than Jenni Hermoso, who is, I bet, enjoying this (sorry to say). Rubiales does seem a bit of an idiot, though, clutching his genitals etc. So probably he's brought it on himself and is unpleasant in other ways. But I am sick of the fuss some women make about very little. It does not help teach men how to behave. Many do not know how to be a 'man' any more which is sad

Many do not know how to be a 'man' any more which is sad

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So how do they learn?

It took Jenni Hermoso 3 days to decide she was upset

Anniebach

It took Jenni Hermoso 3 days to decide she was upset

No words.

Full of adrenaline, in celebratory mood, on the spur of the moment, caught unawares, on international TV, the person getting kissed like this was probably quite shocked and probably reacted automatically, possibly to play things down. Doesn't mean it was acceptable either at the time or on reflection. Really, if the man had acknowledged it was wrong from the start and apologised profusely maybe things could have moved on and turned out differently but no, he wanted to let the world know he was in the right! Arrogance and insensitivity, not reading the signals and behind the times, unaware of what's going on with the 'Me Too' movement. Sportswomen are not his to kiss uninvited, not his toys or children or property. Thank heavens things have moved on since the 1970s when that sort of thing was considered normal and women objecting were regarded as 'bad sports'. Football has to start to make some serious changes.

I think that being young in the 60s and 70s (like me) we just took the touchy feeling stuff in our stride and dealt with it. I don’t remember any of my friends making a big deal of it.
When I worked in a bank one of the managers was a groper but we just laughed and took it turns to have to work with him. Like The History Boys.