Thinking about this football winners kiss .

The football kiss reminded me of the kiss done by Schindler to the young Jewish girl who'd presented him with a birthday cake from the workers . Different time and reasons but still made me ' boak' ! Have a wee look .

I agree with you entirely. It’s usually people of a certain age that are fully indoctrinated that they have to accept male entitlement. I am ‘of a certain age’ but have moved with the times as they say 😊

It isn’t the 60’s or 70’s. Just because then, women were expected to accept groping, forced kisses and sexist remarks doesn’t mean it should be accepted now.

The man was at fault here, not the woman. She did not take 3 days to get upset. She said it wasn’t consensual and she would make no comment until the matter was discussed with her union. Are we to now believe the entire team has somehow lost all sense of reason. The majority view in Spain, mebs and women’s teams and general public are criticising the man, nit the woman.

Vetrep What nonsense, most of us, at some time or another, respond in an instinctive way that may be the reverse of what we would like to do, when someone suddenly does something.
I have responded to a sudden hug or kiss from someone, which I would have refused if that person had asked beforehand.

She was in a very public place at a highly emotional moment with the cameras of the world upon her, she may have been happy to hug him, but the kiss on the lips was entirely unexpected. Supposing she had immediately slapped his face - imagine the furore - probably even worse than what is happening now

When the team were on bus/tram they were shouting beso with much laughter , he was with them.

lyleLyle

Really disgusted to read excuses for this individual, though I cannot say I am surprised. Just thankful that a certain mindset is quite literally dying off with those who still blame women and excuse men for despicable behavior. All I know is I am glad to never be surrounded by the kind of people who use “excitement” as an excuse to violate another human being in the most avoidable manner possible. Thankful that the creeps of earlier times are not tolerated by the civilised people of today.

If she was so angry about it a slap around the face would have sufficed. Laughing about it then decided it was assault. Pressure from whom I wonder. If a man,or woman, had done that to me, instant reprisal would be the norm. Not rape or murder, overreaction by everyone. Man loses livelihood down to a kiss.

Anniebach I m really surprised at your response to this you are usually a kind gentle person this girl had no choice in front of thousands of eyes, of course she smiled out of sheer embarrassment it doesn’t mean she wanted to be manhandled
I would have smiled too and then cried afterwards and thought why didn’t I slap him across the face, bite his tongue, try to pull away but you don’t! When a man grabbed me and kissed me full on at work I didn’t say a word to anyone I even smiled hello the next day, I just vowed to stay out of his way

This stupid stupid arrogant man could have saved all of this by saying ‘I m so sorry I got carried away in the euphoria of the moment’
That s all it needed

That goes to you to Freya ridiculous post I bet a pound to a penny in front of a huge crowd and tv cameras you WOULD NOT have acted as you like to think you would very very different to a cool headed reaction

Man loses livelihood down to a kisss no down to his arrogance and disrespect. As others have said, when he first learned that she's been offended he should have made a public apology when he could have reasonably said he was 'caught up in the moment' and was sorry for his unprofessional and unacceptable behaviour.

Instead he arrogantly stated he wouldn't resign and tried to place all responsibility for the incident on the player probably expecting that by virtue of his standing and being a man, he could get away with it.

BlueBell is it not possible she could have responded warmly to the kiss. Yes much euphoria for both on winning a World Cup.

I didn’t witness this incident personally, but it went down in the company annals. It was back in the early 70s, when I was airline cabin crew.
A certain stewardess was said to be from a very upper-crusty family, and possessed the voice and bearing to match.

At a mass crew and hangers-on dinner, somewhere abroad, so the story went, some letchy bloke sitting next to her started by putting his hand on her knee (invisible to everyone else under the table) and gradually moved it higher and higher up her thigh.

Apparently she said nothing, and didn’t react at all, until at a certain point she apparently said - at the very top of her supremely upper-crusty voice, so that it echoed all round the table - ‘Would you kindly take your fucking finger out of my fanny?’ 😂

I look forward to the day that when a woman raises a complaint about a man's inappropriate behaviour she will not have criticism heaped upon her for not looking upset enough, or for not reacting at the time, or for taking too long to raise the complaint, or for not putting up with it as it was no big deal anyway.
I look forward to the day when it would be unthinkable to blame the woman for raising the complaint in the first place.
Still, the young Spanish women footballers are supporting her complaint so perhaps that day will come.

I look forward to that day too Parsley.

What a great response Witzend, good for her.

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What a load of rubbish

Says you. The world is thankfully changing and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it. These young women are braver and wiser when it comes to this stuff. All the pervert-apologists can do is cry about it. Today’s women aren’t taking anymore from the creeps of the world. Best get used to it!

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*just take

lyleLyle, you deal with these issues rather more forcefully than I would but I do agree that it is a better world with young women not putting up with the things we did because everyone knows he does it so just keep out of his way! At the same time, I would like young males to be taught how to approach things when they want to take things further than a friendship because I do think they are often unsure of what is acceptable. It is often difficult to read the signals for them and if you are overwhelmingly shy, asking a girl first if you can kiss them is tortuous!
I sometimes wonder if the biggest protesters on here about this have ever been in a situation where they felt they had to carry on as usual when being assaulted because it happens, it really does. I was raped by coercion as a 13 years old and it took me years to process that it was something I didn't bring upon myself. I can imagine that being kissed on the lips by this man in front of the whole world might have taken a few days to process especially if other women (and him) were telling you it was harmless.

The thing that puzzled me is that she smiled and seemed to regard it as a bit of fun. She didn’t push him away or make her displeasure known in any way at the time.

Read the thread and the analysis on line nanna8. It really isn’t ‘puzzling’

The woman released this statement shortly after the match

It was a completely spontaneous mutual gesture due to the immense joy of winning a World Cup,’ said Hermoso several hours after her rather different comments on the Instagram live.

Anniebach

The woman released this statement shortly after the match

It was a completely spontaneous mutual gesture due to the immense joy of winning a World Cup,’ said Hermoso several hours after her rather different comments on the Instagram live.

There has been an element of coercion in this though but at the moment we don't know when that coercion took place. Whenever it was, it was enough to get the police involved. Maybe she could get the benefit of the doubt from women until we know for sure.

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