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I remembered when I was a late teenager and worked in a bank, being in Scotland, kissing went on quite a lot around New Year . When we went back to work we would be kissed by the three male senior members of staff. I cannot remember where the other men kissed me but I do remember the sloppy kiss on the lips we got from the assistant manager. He was a married man with children .
Many years later I worked for a different bank and was more mature and sure of myself. I used to say to my boss that I did not kiss him the rest of the year so why should I do so after the New Year. We had a horrible HR young man who also tried to kiss you . When he tried I turned my face away and he kissed my cheek. He was the same young man who was Santa at the joint Christmas party and you had to sit on his knee before you got your present. I got round this by not putting my name in the hat to have someone else draw it out and buy me a gift.
Anniebach
The woman released this statement shortly after the match
It was a completely spontaneous mutual gesture due to the immense joy of winning a World Cup,’ said Hermoso several hours after her rather different comments on the Instagram live.
I’ve searched the internet for this quote and cannot find it. Please provide a link.
Sorry I can’t post links, I looked for Jennifer Hermoso and found much of her
Oh Nana8 haven’t you got it yet ?
How could she push him away, he had her in a vice like grip
Of course she bloody smiled she was as embarrassed as hell and we all smile when embarrassed Havent you ever fell down looked around to see if anyone’s seen you and plaster a smile on your face almost saying ‘haha I meant to do that’
It’s a normal reaction to smile an embarrassment away
Women of any age should not be making excuses for this apology of a ‘man’
He behaved poorly and as always blamed the woman
and EVERYONE on here supporting him is also blaming all women who are hugged, kissed, inappropriately and yes raped
Remember the ‘ she asked for it’ ‘well if she wears skirts that short’ ‘she didn’t say no’
Anniebach
Sorry I can’t post links, I looked for Jennifer Hermoso and found much of her
Perhaps all believe what we want to believe?
Perhaps and it wasn’t a sexual assault carried out whilst thousands look on.
Can it be there are very few rugby supporters on this thread ?
BlueBell how can you claim he held her in a vice like grip ?
only she and he know this , we know he placed his hands on her face
Oh come on Annie we could see it with our own eyes
I m not saying any more you go on protecting these men and blame the women It’s what’s always happened and I ve not even mentioned his ‘greasy little hand on his bits in his
uncontained excitement’
When I worked at the Rape centre it was what we heard time after time ‘it was my fault’ ‘I looked at him wrong’ ‘I wore the wrong clothes’ ‘I was in the wrong place’ ‘I was too shocked to say no’
At least you expect other women to understand and not add to the blame
BlueBell I am not protecting men and blaming women , on this matter I can understand the euphoria of a win in a stadium
I do not believe it was a sexual assault, i don’t believe his thoughts were sexual.
^I ve not even mentioned his ‘greasy little hand on his bits in his uncontained excitement^’
Whilst sitting next to a teenage girl!
I expect Jennifer Hermoso was absolutely ecstatic at just winning the World Cup (who wouldn't be?!) and the reality of what he did only hit her moments later.
Would it have made things better if he'd profusely apologised immediately and said he got it wrong?
It's his stubborn arrogance which has worsened the situation.
Anniebach
BlueBell I am not protecting men and blaming women , on this matter I can understand the euphoria of a win in a stadium
I do not believe it was a sexual assault, i don’t believe his thoughts were sexual.
It's the power imbalance, Anniebach.
Anniebach
BlueBell I am not protecting men and blaming women , on this matter I can understand the euphoria of a win in a stadium
I do not believe it was a sexual assault, i don’t believe his thoughts were sexual.
Isn't that for the person who received the attention to determine along with the legal enforcers? He could have easily have apologised for getting caught up in the moment but chose not to. It appears that the police, much of the public including many of the women in sport and many on Gransnet saw the same thing and saw it as an assault.
Incidentally, I do think it is possible that he acted in a moment of euphoria but that doesn't make it right, I'm afraid.
If in that euphoric moment she responded to his kiss with warmth ?
She didn't.
You’re in a bit of delusion there anniebach and I don’t understand why at all
Annie i heard the tv/radio news the same day as the final. The footballer statement was she would make no direct comment but allow her union to do so
Wise move. He was at fault she wasn’t and isn’t - he’s persisted to deny minimise deflect, typical behaviour from men who are predatory orvanusive
I accept the majority here believe it was a sexual assault, I cannot agree. I don’t know if his hands on her head held her in a vice like grip, I don’t know if , taking into account she had been in a long line of exchanging kisses, she suddenly froze or there was warmth in her kiss, others believe not.
No matter, he lost his job, but I really do not believe that in the
euphoria of winning the World Cup it was sex which caused him to act as he did.
It was a man taking a liberty, assuming he had the right to do as he pleased and kiss a woman on the lips without her consent.
If that is defined as a sexual assault then yes, it was.
A man who had already had his hands on ‘his bits’ in his excitement !!!
It was foolish and wrong but he should not have been humiliated as he has and lose his job. That's unfair. In the heat of the moment he acted inappropriately but it was not a sexual assault, that insults and makes light of those that have been.
it was not a sexual assault, that insults and makes light of those that have been.
No, it is on a continuum of entitlement and power which allows assault and which which leads to rape.
Today there were reports of a Spanish TV news reporter having her bottom felt on air.
She basically carries on as though nothing has happened until a man in a studio in effect gives her "permission " to call him out.
People don't always react in a way you may think. Or - even react at all.
amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/13/outrage-in-spain-after-man-touches-journalists-bottom-during-broadcast
There is a longer piece if you follow it through onto Twitter/X.
Actually I think the Spanish reporter incident was a few days ago.
You can see with your own eyes that she tries to act as though it didn't happen.
She’s smiling Anniebach she didn’t smack his face or scowl or growl at him she carried on smiling but is clearly embarrassed and mortified
Allsorts he wouldn’t have lost his job and it would have been all forgotten by the next day if the arrogant self entitled sod had just SAID SORRY
BlueBelle
Allsorts he wouldn’t have lost his job and it would have been all forgotten by the next day if the arrogant self entitled sod had just SAID SORRY
Hear, hear.
I think,his attitude says more about him than the action but I also find the thought of another drawn out (Spanish) #metoo dialogue tedious.
It was in full view of millions of people and wrong. She reacted as she did and perhaps that's why he thought there was no need to apologise, when she changed her views he should have apologised then. Mistakes were made. He's lost his career so doubt he will do it again..
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