Dogs in coffee shops

MissInterpreted

Anyone who feels that way wouldn't be welcome in my house anyway. Give me dogs over judgemental humans any day of the week.

Just what I was going to say MissInterpreted

Skydancer we get an immense amount of love and pleasure from our pets, a little extra cleaning is a small price to pay. Like other pet owners I have hard floors which are easy to clean and don't absorb odour.

Dogs aren't the problem.
It's silly owners who are.

Casdon

Freya5

Casdon

To the contrary Curtaintwitcher, UK law always allowed dogs in commercial kitchens as well as in eating ares. I can remember the big fuss made when an EU law came in banning them from the kitchens, because it was sensationalised in the press.

Food Hygeine regulations 2013 insist restaurant owners cannot allow dogs into places where food is stored , handled or prepared. No law that states dogs cannot be permitted into restaurants etc. Personally after a dog barking contest in a local garden centre, where we were eating, getting tangled in a small dogs long lead, I was the one at fault of course, I would be quite happy to see them banned, or at least considerate owners removing them.

That’s right Freya5, the Food Hygiene regulations were changed after the EU ruling. Before that restauranteurs could have their dogs in the kitchen while they cooked food for customers.

Well, I've never heard of that, how disgusting. Then I can't ever remember dogs being allowed anywhere near a Restaurant or Cafe.

I knew about it because when the new regulations were brought in a local B&B owner here made a fuss about her dog no longer being allowed in the kitchen, which hit the local press - to very mixed responses.
I can remember dogs always being in pubs, going back to my youth, but not in restaurants.

I was reminded of this thread last night. I went to visit a lady who has two spaniels. She has a lovely, spacious home with wood flooring and the dogs had gone out with her son but the smell of dogs was overpowering.

I was truly nearly sick and made my visit as short as politely possible. spaniels and labradors have that certain smell. We had a springer but she lived in an outhouse.

Primrose53, dogs don’t need to smell. I have a huge lab and a show type spaniel. My dogs don’t mean my home is smelly. My neighbours working labs live in a huge kennel area in his garden. My dogs are family members so they share my home with me.

Watching a youtube video few days ago about motorhomes caravans etc.

This couple have a small chihuahua( had to look that up how to spell) they obviously had to look for a cafe that accepted dogs.

They found a cafe with a sort of dog/pet shop attached to it.

They ordered food for themselves then ordered the dog some food (from the dog menu)

The food came, they put the dogs dish on the table and the dog stood on it's hind legs and tried to eat sort of from the table, the dog was stood on a chair, In the end they put the dish of dog food on the chair for the dog to eat.

It was in one of those oval brown earthenware dishes (the ones that you normally would bake a pie in)

No way would I have eaten anything! in that cafe. Yuk!

What made me think is! do they use the same dish to bake the pies or human food in

By the way the dog was having scrambled egg and sausage so you imagine the mess.

I've been in houses that reek of all sorts of things. Kippers, cabbage, curries, BO cigarettes etc etc. Not smelt any dogs yet. We have dogs and I'm very aware that my home doesn't smell. Just having dogs does not mean they're going to smell your house out.

Very sad to read about the spaniel in the outhouse. One of the reasons I prefer dogs to many humans.

The love they have given me from being a baby to my early 60s . I can't imagine life without them.

I don’t like the idea of keeping a spaniel in the outhouse either, they are clever dogs who love being with people, and would not enjoy that at all. I’ve got a spaniel, and he doesn’t smell - he is bathed when necessary, which is all it takes. I don’t take him to cafes though, unless we are sitting outside, because he is a terrrible foodie, and it puts me off eating when he fixates me with his eyes waiting for a crumb to drop to the floor.

Goodness there’s some virtue signalling on this thread.
Dogs do not necessarily smell - many humans do however.
Keeping a dog in an outhouse? Unless this is a working dog such as a sheepdog, this strikes me as unnecessarily cruel. Dogs are pack animals and their humans are their “pack”
So much pearl clutching about badly behaved owners and their dogs, in all my 76 years- at least 60 of them as a dog owner- this has never been an issue and I can honestly say I have never witnessed any of these shock! horror! Incidents.
Save your breath - if you don’t like dogs, that’s fine. If my dog doesn’t like you - that tells me all I want to know.

RosiesMaw2 - well said! I could have written that myself!

As I said before, @RosiesMaw2, I am a dog lover and have one of my own. It doesn't mean that I want to be jumped up at or sniffed by a strange dog, as happened to me recently. I don't like the idea of dogs eating from human plates, either, and some owners do this. Some owners even share an ice cream with their dogs - yuk. When you consider where dogs put their noses and mouths at other times, l cannot think of many more unhygienic things. When we have a roast dinner we will put a little bit of meat in the dog's bowl.
I don't agree with putting family dogs in outhouses, but several people here are convinced that their own dogs do not smell. I can confidently assure you that they do - all dogs do. and the larger the dog the greater the smell. Other people are too polite to remark on the fact. In the words of the advert, you have gone nose blind. My dog has a bath around once a month and I wash his bedding regularly. Even so, I am aware that he has his very own eau de dog aroma and, although people reassure me that they have not noticed a doggy odour, I am careful to make sure it stays that way. I have been in many homes with dogs and, all too often l know that there is a dog living there before I see it as the smell reaches me first.

No. You're wrong about the smell. You can be as confident as you like. To quote an advert about a product is ridiculous. I can confidently tell you that nose blindmess doesnt exist. I have a friend who doesn't have dogs. More of a cat person. She often will comment that our house/car don't smell of dog unlike other folk we know with dogs.

She's very blunt to the point of rudeness so I believe her.

You worry about where dogs put their noses and mouths. Humans also engage in dubious activities.

I can assure you the you will have encountered human faeces on many a door handle in your life.

Humans are a bit mucky

I agree, Rekarie - many humans are filthy, disgusting creatures.
Oh, and Musicgirl, bathing a dog too often isn't good for it. It strips the natural oils from their coat, for one thing.
As for whether our house smells of dog or not, I could not care less. It's his house as much as it is ours and any visitors who don't like that would not be welcome in any case.

Give your dog a good brush and comb as often as the breed coat needs. Make sure their teeth are clean. Mine enjoy a raw marrow bone once or twice weekly - shiny clean pearly whites

And whataboutery the evidence thst children growing up with dogs have strong immunity. Those of us sharing our lives with dogs better mental health

And - my dogs don’t smell

Can I ask a question please? There is a lady around here who walks a spaniel every day. The dog is never on a lead. It just runs around and she walks behind. It's never bothered me or anyone else that I know of. If I see it running about, I don't go out. This is the only dog around here that isn't on a lead. Is this ok or against the law? I'm just interested.

Gosh, what a lot of fuss about our spaniel being kept in an outhouse.😱

Poor choice of words by me, she SLEPT at night in there. She was a working spaniel and came from the top spaniel breeder inN Norfolk who kept all his dogs outside.
The rest of the day she had free run of the garden when she was not working.

Those types of dogs love being outside, they don’t like being in centrally heated houses. A farmer down the road has kept every single dog he has ever owned outside. Most of them lay on a mat at the backdoor. A woman in the village bought a pup from him and couldn't believe it was only ever happy when it could lay near the back door. She wanted it on the sofa with her to fuss it but he was having none of that!

I don’t care what anybody says - dogs kept inside make houses smell. The owners get used to the smell. I have had dogs all my life until about 5 years ago and didn’t think my house had a smell but our hoover packed up and we fetched a spare one in from the garage and the smell was dreadful as it was full of dog hairs etc. that was from just one little Border Terrier X.

Kate1949

Can I ask a question please? There is a lady around here who walks a spaniel every day. The dog is never on a lead. It just runs around and she walks behind. It's never bothered me or anyone else that I know of. If I see it running about, I don't go out. This is the only dog around here that isn't on a lead. Is this ok or against the law? I'm just interested.

I can't speak for the whole of the UK, but here in Scotland, there is no blanket law requiring dogs to be kept on a lead in all public spaces. However, there are a series of orders that mean you may have to leash your dog in certain places in your local area - such as children’s play areas, sports pitches, roads, parks and beaches.
The Highway Code also says that dogs should be kept on a short lead along roads and on paths shared with horse riders or cyclists (rule 56).
Many local authorities have introduced Public Spaces Protection Orders over the last couple of years to restrict dogs to being walked on lead (or excluded from the area entirely) in certain public spaces.

Thank you, Primrose. Your explanation makes sense. I have been flamed for daring to suggest that dogs smell, but they do. In the same way, cats, hamsters, pet rats and any other domestic pets have their own odour. It is a fact of life and we have to accept it if we want to share our homes with furry friends. I was extra aware as until this past year I had multiple people come in the house each week as I taught music mainly from home (l have semi-retired and only have a few pupils now). In fact, when we were considering getting a dog twelve years ago, we had three criteria: 1) a breed that did not shed because of allergies, 2) a breed that would not take up half the room by himself and 3) a beeed that was generally known to be friendly because of all the people who came to the house. We chose a Cairn Terrier and he has fulfilled and exceeded all our expectations. He is very friendly and loving and has helped many children to overcome a fear of dogs to the point that several families went on to get their own dog. Even so, I am not blind to the fact that even though I and the family think the world of our own dog, to everyone else he is just another dog and not everyone is a dog lover. As for equating human hygiene with canine hygiene - yes, therr are some very dirty people out there, but the vast majority keep themselves clean. Also, how many humans greet each other by sniffing each other's bare bottoms, or pick up dead birds and animals by mouth, never mind rolling in noxious substances with great glee?

I don’t care what anybody says - dogs kept inside make houses smell.

Wrong.

Thank you MissI.

Than you Musicgirl. I think some people take it personally when you say all houses have a whiff of dog about them or you hate dogs!

I love dogs and have always had them but don’t want them in places serving food. Wet dog smell is dreadful.

We have a holiday let and as soon as I go in to clean I immediately know if they have had a dog in there. I charge an extra £20 a week for a small dog because of the smell, the line of dog hairs along the bottom of sofas, hairs on the bedding, dog biscuits spilt on conservatory floor etc but often people try snd sneak them in without paying.

If dogs don’t smell, how come if you google How to stop dog smells you will find pages and pages of tips. People get used to the smell and can no longer smell it rather like when you wear perfume you stop smelling it on yourself.

I'm not having it . I'm not saying that homes don't smell doggy, of course some do. Totally agree that wet dog is an awful smell. However not all houses with dogs smell. A lot to do with the breed.

As for a Google search! Really? Well try googling about smelly humans. Bacteria that is left in all manner of places. By humans. Faecal matter. It's eye opening.

Give me a dog over many humans.

Also, working dogs don't tend to be pets. So maybe not a dog liver.

Or dog lover even