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Littlepig66 Sun 18-Oct-15 17:29:27

Hi ladies,

I hope you are all well and enjoying the joys of grandparenting! Ive come again for more advice because im just so confused ( look at my previous post for history).

I tried to take all you lovely ladies advice and in the end i decided it would hurt my husband too much to cut his parents off, but that we would keep our distance and contact would be low as it is has been which is easy as we live in another country but we have our boundaries etc which have to be upheld.

Fast forward and i feel so angry i could explode, we visited in summer and while things were cordial and everyone was nice to everyones face....our wishes were ignored and disrespected. For example they asked to have a bbq so friends and family could see the baby, ii told them ofcourse but that due to general routine it would be better for lunch time....nothing was said till the actual day and the bbq was organised for 6pm!!! I felt rude for having to put my baby to bed but this is only the small things.......

Getting to the point, we have told everyone that it is best that they visit us diring school holidays- we are both teachers and so have time off and routine can be more relaxed.....we were told that it wasnt a good time for ny in-laws to come then and so they gave dates they wanted to come which dont suit us....but my fil asked "what else would you be doing that we cant come?" When my husband replied that he had to check with me to make sure we had no plans my fil acted like a bully......he said to him that "i can come and visit when i want".......i mean seriously?????? We are 2 grown adults with a very busy day to day life anf we dont have a close relationship with them.

We offered alternative dates but none were good, so we gave in, but i cant help thinking that we shoukdnt have because we were bullied into it and really we dont want them here then.

Sorry for the rant, just feeling very frustrated and annoyed and im just totally clueless of what to do next.....

Fast forward a

pinknanny Tue 20-Oct-15 14:58:31

You poor soul little pig
My mother in law was a dragon ! Every time she descended on us she critised everything- oh you need a brush to get the dust out of the door frame - oh I never buy those etc etc
Now I am divorced from her darling son that is my fault because I didn't love him enough ! Not the fact he ran off with someone else when I was having cancer treatment!
She is dead & buried now but I still miss the old bat ,so grit your teeth & remember - this too will pass ! Xx

BearandCardigan Tue 20-Oct-15 14:54:17

I really do sympathise but just a thought, maybe they didn't want to come in the holidays because that would be too much of each other? This way they only have to put up with you in the evenings. Sorry don't want to sound horrid but if your relationship is bad how does it feel for them? So I know it's hard to grin and bear it but could they babysit one night and you and OH go out? What about your OH taking them out one evening without you? They could have some time together. You could go out with a girlfriend (invite your mil you will have a friend to defend you) and leave them one evening? Also on the practical side, make lots of meals and freeze them. In the morning take one out and heat it up at night. To make it easier to put up with them think of them as a prospective boss of a job you really want! Amazing how the smile can come when you think like that.
Oh and on the naughty side, don't clear up. Just leave it all. Leave your dirty breakfast stuff too. Just say nice things like "it's lovely having you here, I always come home to a happy clean house"

Jane10 Tue 20-Oct-15 14:48:39

nonnie aka Miss Marple- don't school's have half term holidays? They're all off here!
The poor OP has not cut her PiLs off nor does she plan to, they are welcome outwith term time. Apart from anything else the poor young couple are much more likely to be relaxed and ready to be good hosts once the pressure of work is off.
I really can't understand the attitudes of some Grans here. It makes me appreciate my own MiL all the more: she was never intrusive or made anyone feel uncomfortable. This meant that she was welcomed and loved by us all which is all that any Gran could hope for.

LynnKnowles Tue 20-Oct-15 12:19:22

I agree with Maggie above. A very balanced view. Don't stress. When's it over you can just relax and heave a sigh of relief.

GrannySmith12 Tue 20-Oct-15 12:07:10

Oh Dear - life really is too short - just be nice and disarm them, they need loving, otherwise you will not just end up being the disgruntled daughter in law but the moaning wife. Try to be patient it will benefit your child too.

Nonnie Tue 20-Oct-15 12:00:57

Like you Alea I usually take things at face value but for some reason this one simply feels like there is another agenda. Maybe because I know someone who does just this sort of mud throwing in order to gain sympathy and I know the truth!

I wonder if this is what goes on in Mumsnet, must pluck up the courage to look. Is it full of MiL bashing?

Alea Tue 20-Oct-15 11:49:19

Bit of sleuthing there Miss Marple?!grin
OP did say her working day was 8-5 so I took that at face value.
Now I am going to have a moan.
If a person asks for advice/suggestions, gets it/them, and then says ," well, actually I'm going to go ahead anyway," what more is there to say? Other than opening the floodgates for diatribes against insensitive mothers in law when most of us would not DREAM of more than a flying visit especially when the DCs were at work. I am not talking about visits to DCs on the other side of the world, Australia or New Zealand, or of the sort of visit where Gran whether DM or MIL takes over by request in the event of illness/a new baby/any other emergency.
Maybe our feeble attempts at conversation are boring, but so can be the minutiae of breast feeding/stitches/potty training or tales of nights out with the girls on a Friday. Hasten to add I have never been party to ANY of the above, just saying, that maybe MIL is lonely and doesn't have much else in her life.
I started off sympathetic, but feel if a person cannot be adult enough to organise their own household in a civilised manner, don't go pleading "PIL from hell - poor me".

Nonnie Tue 20-Oct-15 11:35:34

Alea from the timing of her posts she clearly isn't working all those hours.

Alea Tue 20-Oct-15 11:23:06

I fail to see what else can be added to this thread.
OP has said her bit, others have chipped in with (constructive) suggestions, and OP has replied that she will just put up with it.
Is there more to say?
If OP is out at work all day (8-5?) she will be out of their hair but makes no mention of what her PILs will be doing all day. By the time she gets home and puts the baby to bed it will be their own bedtime. And it is only to be a week after all. Soon pass.
What's next?

rosequartz Tue 20-Oct-15 10:54:20

but i cant do anymore than I've already done and i can't change them

You never know, though, try the book I recommended, perhaps a different approach from you may have an effect on them - and cheer up, but a brave face on it, they are only there for a week or so. Don't be confused and angry, talk with your DH and work out the best way to handle this - and them - in a calm and rational manner.

Now excuse me, I have to listen to the life stories of a whole village of people I have never met. Again. Dashed with a soupcon of her funny turn last year, ending with a day-by-day (literally) account of what she has done over the past few days while they were on holiday - only today this will be accompanied by the dreaded Photos.
Keep smiling, stillhere they are older than you and won't be here for ever and then you will be free of them. smile Go and wash up while the old ones witter on with your DBH, I am sure she won't miss you being there to listen, it's probably him they've come to see, not you.

Strange one, though, isn't it. I have been thinking about this last night and again this morning. We have had threads started by DILs who are very concerned because of the distance their MIL (and FIL) keeps from the family. Being the mother of grownups or MIL is like walking on eggshells; apparently if we don't contact them, go to see them and cuddle the baby we are cold and unfeeling, if we do all that we are a nuisance and they can't bear to have us around.

Perhaps some straightforward honesty in a nice fashion is the answer.

Nonnie Tue 20-Oct-15 10:16:49

I wonder if this is what Mumsnet is like? Not going to look though.

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 20-Oct-15 10:15:13

Is this site being totally over-run by Mumsnetters. I hope not.

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 20-Oct-15 10:13:59

Oh you do sound a lovely tolerant person. How lucky for your mil, having you married to her son.

stillhere Tue 20-Oct-15 10:09:56

Mine are here, they arrived yesterday. They invited themselves to see DBH on his birthday, needless to say that was not how we had intended to spend the time but they were very insistent. MiL was very well-behaved until the meal last night, when she criticised the choices of meats and seafoods and cheeses in the buffet meal, and in particular the bowl of chocolate toffee eclairs which are DBH's favourite sweet and were put there as a joke.

She felt that the meal should have consisted of her own favourites. I tried to remind her that it was DBH's birthday and the foods there were for him, but she kept trying to override my explanation, saying 'he likes lemon bonbons much better!' At which I replied that yes, he had liked lemon bonbons, twenty years ago maybe...

DBH is also a teacher and he flatly refuses to have them anywhere near him in term time, he just gets too tired to cope with it, let alone when the children were small. MiL would say, let me help, but all she did was follow me and get in the way, occasionally carrying something to the dining table. She never finished a task I gave her, she would drift away on spotting something more exciting, so I'm not sure why she ever offered in the first place.

Before anyone gets upset and thinks I am just MiL bashing - my first MiL, with Ex, was just wonderful. I still miss her.

Thank you for giving me the chance to vent, littlepig. grin

Now excuse me, I have to listen to the life stories of a whole village of people I have never met. Again. Dashed with a soupcon of her funny turn last year, ending with a day-by-day (literally) account of what she has done over the past few days while they were on holiday - only today this will be accompanied by the dreaded Photos.

Littlepig66 Tue 20-Oct-15 09:55:21

I misread the post....apologies!

Nonnie Tue 20-Oct-15 09:46:00

Mar my sentiments. It is so easy to find reasons not to like the in laws and not to be tolerant of other people. Yes, so easy to get on with those you have been brought up with as you understand each other. It seems empathy is lacking.

Interesting LPthat you twice refer to my reference to a summer poster. In no way was it a reference to you but you suggest it was. A touch of paranoia? Might explain a lot.

Littlepig66 Tue 20-Oct-15 08:55:18

If she has nothing wrong that is sad marmark1, but that isnt the story in my case.

Marmark1 Tue 20-Oct-15 08:14:28

Isn't it sad that it's almost always the sons poor mum that gets pushed out.Even when she's done nothing wrong.Its often just pure resentment.Dont you younger mums kid yourselves,you will feel just as heartbroken if it happens to you,and do you know what,Nobody can be truly happy,if they've caused others misery.And what goes around comes around.

Littlepig66 Tue 20-Oct-15 06:35:05

Thank you for all your suggestions, they have all been taken on board.

Flutterby123 i dont think we would cut them out of our live, im not that type of person i genuinely wish the relationship was better but i cant do anymore than I've already done and i can't change them, and i certainly wouldnt force my husband to cut off his parents- the kind of relationship we have with them now was a joint decision.

I think i should just try to concentrate on the positive and look on the bright side in that we arent close and we dont have much contact with them, so to "put up" with their behaviour towards me for a few weeks a year isnt as bad as some have it. I think that will just be my mantra from now on followed by a nice g&t!

Mumsyface Tue 20-Oct-15 04:20:07

Strangely enough, I'm a grandmother whose DiL has decided she doesn't like my husband (my sons stepfather) and doesn't want to be around him. I can't seem to get an answer apart from apparently he said something she didn't like. Not anything as bad as "get yer knickers off" apparently, but won't say exactly so have no idea. As I work in one country and they live in another it is awkward. Have currently settled for renting a holiday flat near dil's parents over Xmas period as ds has enforced leave then as do I and other grandparents house full so good excuse for holiday rental. Fortunately for me my son has negotiated an alternate day policy so we get to see him and the dgc whilst also having time to do our own thing. What we would do if we couldn't afford to rent holiday home I have no idea.

fluttERBY123 Mon 19-Oct-15 23:09:46

However much you detest your pils, and however unreasonable they are, unfortunately they are the parents of yr husband and the grandparents of your son. To cut them off would cause distress to your husband and deprive your child of a relationship with his grandparents.

You are lucky that they live in another country. Think of it that you are not being put in prison for a couple of weeks twice a year, just having to put up with unwelcome guests. Maybe try to leave the four of them to their own devices as much as possible. Invent a crisis at school to be out/occupied with school work more than usual? Grit teeth and cross off the days!

Leticia Mon 19-Oct-15 22:32:42

I do know a lot about teaching, Wilma, and it is very hectic even if you supply teach- which OP doesn't . I admire anyone who teaches with a baby- I didn't have to. I don't think it possible to entertain visitors in term time unless they are self sufficient- in UK, Spain or anywhere.

Deedaa Mon 19-Oct-15 22:06:13

I'm not sure I'd try humour on them. My MiL (who was difficult in different ways) had no understanding of humour at all - in 45 years I don't think I ever saw her laugh at anything. If I had ever tried to improve a situation with humour I think she would just have been offended.

grandmac Mon 19-Oct-15 21:00:17

You have my sympathy Littlepig. My husband was not English and his family (sisters, brother, cousins, niece)would come whenever it suited them. Sometimes we only knew when they were on the plane and expecting to be picked up at the airport. They always expected to be taken out and about and wanted their own country's food on the table. I put up with it for my husband's sake as he left his own land to live in this country with me and our children. But it did cause a few arguments!! Now my daughter is in the same position!! She doesn't mind immediate family such as his parents and brothers but resents the cousins who won't speak English with her, treat her rudely and expect to be waited on while letting their children run riot in her home. Saying they can't come is not an option when it is your husband's family, although she has said Christmas is off limits.

Others have given advice on this thread, I can't really as I just put up with it! Good luck!

Thebeeb Mon 19-Oct-15 20:30:03

One word, compromise (them and you - with humour and a smile, they can't argue with that). I suffered much the same for many years with MIL. It was a constant struggle to keep thoughts to myself as husband didn't see it so it caused us many arguments and me much hurt. However many many years later she is in her 90s and and of course things are much different as she now leans on us and of course has mellowed. The gap between us narrowed and thankfully harmony is reigning. My advice, stick with it if you can with a bit of compromise and see where it takes you. And .... Give yourself a huge pat on the back and a bar of chocolate (or maybe a stiff drink) when they go!!!