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cheneslieges132 Thu 29-Dec-16 10:04:35

I am struggling with an intensely sad problem ... for over 26 years I have been Best Friends with a lady who lived next door to me on a new estate, when I came back from living in France in 1989. She moved 300 miles away 8 years ago, as her daughter wanted to have her living near her, in case her mother ever fell etc etc. I miss her such a lot. She was a soul-mate. We were more than best friends, in fact, we were like sisters and I treated her so very well with a huge amount of help all the time I have known her, because she was very poor, had no job or money, and latterly her health was not good (several serious problems over the last four years). Whatever she needed I would give her willingly, including four paid-for holidays in France (I still have a 2nd home there) and even an electric blanket when she came out of hospital a while ago. Just out of curiosity, I compiled a list for myself of gifts I have given her over the years, and there were more than 40 really wonderful things, including jewellery. My problem is this: 2 years ago we decided mutually not to ever buy each other token Christmas/birthday presents - however, on my birthday last August, she sent me a pair of "Disney" themed pyjamas. They were miles too small for me, and I texted her to kindly let her know, and said I would post them back so that she could get her money back. It all went pear-shaped, and she since then has totally cut me out of her life. She will not speak to me or send text messages any more, she even flatly refused to accept a huge bouguet of gorgeous flowers I sent her via Interflora. The girl who tried to deliver them was very upset (I spoke to Interflora to discover what had happened).
After all those years when were almost inseparable, and such very, very good friends, I am completely destroyed by this. I have tried ever since last August to come to terms with this, but it is terrible. I cannot sleep properly, I wake up crying, and have had many really dreadful nightmares.
Can anyone explain what seems to have happened?
I have attempted to contact her daughter, and she will not speak to me either. I am slowly going mad with worry.

DotMH1901 Fri 30-Dec-16 14:02:18

I wonder if this post is a wind up? If not then, surely, the gracious thing would have been to write a thank text or note about the pyjamas and then simply pass them on to a friend or charity that could use them, without mentioning this to your friend.

Bluegayn58 Fri 30-Dec-16 14:14:47

My initial thought is that your friend is offended, and possibly embarrassed.

I do not seek to make judgements, but sometimes friends come into your life, and leave without no apparent reason. Your lives have changed so much now, and perhaps that gap cannot be filled.

A long time friend of mine (20+ years) decided to cut contact, and I found that hard, but had to accept it in the end. We had changed so much over the years, and could no longer find mutual happiness in our relationship.

A friend comes into your life for a reason or a season. When that time is up, no matter how long or short, learn from that experience and put it to good use throughout other aspects of your life.

Your heart was in the right place. xx

VIOLETTE Fri 30-Dec-16 14:16:00

As you say now't so queer as folks ......had a 'friend' who would call me any time of day or night as she had an urgent need to talk ! Call me early morning saying she just MUST see me ...so off I would go, neglecting all else, to rush to be with her to hear her going on and on and one about her soon to be ex husband (and she was by then 70 so not a young chic !) ...I would buy her coffee then hope to get home to lunch but no she wanted to have lunch as well ,,,,this went on for four years ,,,including the time she had an accident on holiday and asked me to go to her insurance co to sort out paying the clinic in Cyprus and organising her re patriation ! Shortly after she got back she said she was moving house and would I help her pack and get some things sold on E bay > Yes of course I said ,,,,,then one day some weeks later I went past her house on my way to my hairdresser and there was a removal van and other friends packing things into it ,,,I called down the hallway ...oh I didn't hear from you but if I can help, you know where I am ! No call, no thanks, no goodbye ! Later learned she had moved again, back to the UK ....a month ago I was having coffee in a local café when she walked in with two other friends ,,,,I said Hi ! lovely to see you ...reaction : Do I know you ?' .....couldn't believe it ! no explanation, she doesn't have any mental or physical illness ,,,all very odd ! but you must let it go and get on with life ! These things happen ...oh and if I ever received a pressie that was the wrong size I would recycle it to someone it would fit ,,,and if I gave any clothing as a gift I always sent the receipt In a separate envelope so the person could take it back for a refund or an exchange ,,,,what else they did with it was up to them ! oh and I would never have returned anything to the giver ,,,,that was the big mistake I think !

Move on, be glad you had a good friend for so many years and maybe put your efforts into helping a charity shop or some such which will help others and give you enormous satisfaction ! Good luck !

Elegran Fri 30-Dec-16 14:24:53

To those who don't like some of the posts - the clue is in the headings of the thread, "Ask a gran" and "Can anyone tell me what went wrong?" The OP asked for, and has received, honest replies about what may have gone wrong. If the responses had all been that her friend was in the wrong and she was in the right, they might have been very comforting, but not any use to her.

Diddy1 Fri 30-Dec-16 15:09:13

Have to agree with most Grans here, it might have hurt your friend when you returned the gift, she might have thought it wasnt good enough for you, when you returned it, giving it to a Charity Shop would have been much better, saved face for everyone!

nigglynellie Fri 30-Dec-16 15:16:08

Can't quite understand why people are still posting on this thread, as the OP isn't acknowledging any of the comments, so it's a bit like talking to yourself - bit pointless really!!

Dangran Fri 30-Dec-16 15:22:44

I'm very fond of my sisters, and thank them very much for the ill-fitting or inappropriate gifts they sometimes give me.I don't think it's worth the upset caused if I point out that the presents are unusable.

grandMattie Fri 30-Dec-16 15:32:50

My only comment would be to look at the situation with these words of wisdom :- "You have friends for a reason, for a season or for life"
Your choice...

Anya Fri 30-Dec-16 15:33:43

Daphne there was no such intention. I wasn't going off at you, you have completely taken that the wrong way.

DaphneBroon Fri 30-Dec-16 15:39:38

Pax then?

Gaggi3 Fri 30-Dec-16 15:48:32

A relative novice to GN I'm puzzled as to why anyone would post something that was not genuine, suggested as a possibility here. Can anyone enlighten me?

Anya Fri 30-Dec-16 15:56:22

Certainly pax DB - I was referring to our Sam training and thought we were singing off the same hymn sheet.

Gagg as those who have worked crisis helpline can verify, you get a lot of wind-up merchants and time wasters who think it's funny or for other less salubrious reasons, on telephone helplines. Believe me!! I'm not saying this was. It might or might not be. But I remember hearing a very elderly Sam, of the twin set and pearl brigade, on the next telephone ask a caller in a voice like cut crystal 'are you by any change masturbating?'

Sorry if I've offended! sad

nananina Fri 30-Dec-16 16:28:36

I'm with the strong possibility of dementia - it can come on very slowly over many years with periods of lucid behaviour in between. I think the fact that the friend almost threw the flowers back at the delivery girl is also a marker for some kind of irrational behaviour. It would be more usual to refuse them politely or take them and bin them!

I feel for you OP and think somehow or another you are going to have to come to terms with the fact that your friend is not really in her right mind. I know lots of people are going on about not sending the PJs back, ok maybe not, but you did it with the best of intentions. And the fact that they were Disney PJs for a woman of your age and much too small is another marker for dementia as far as I can see. My aunt suffered vascular dementia which came on very slowly for many years and she used to accuse us of stealing things from her house. BUT more importantly she also bought totally inappropriate presents - sometimes ornaments that she'd had in the house for years would get wrapped up and given as gifts and once she gave my sister a light bulb carefully bubbled wrapped and then red wrapped and tied with string for Christmas. She died some years ago now and we often smile about her and the gifts,not maliciously of course - we never know when it will be our turn!

radicalnan Fri 30-Dec-16 16:35:18

I am sure we all wish her well, however she did report some behaviour that sounded creepy to me and I tried to be honest with her. No point asking for advice if you only was reassurance that your actions were entirely normal and the other person (unheard) is in the wrong.

It is bizarre to send stamped addressed envelope to elicit a response to personal correspondence, such insistence would in itself put me off replying.

However, if it help to people just to be soothed and never to move on, perhaps we should have an icon to warn us that is their requirement. It isn't unkind to be honest when asked for an honest and helpful opinion. A person is free to ignore replies but sometimes holding up a mirror induces a strong reaction and that is life.

I had hoped to be helpful as I am sure others did.

The loss of a 'soulmate' is painful but there is no other choice other than to move on....we have all had to face that at some point whatever the cause.

Gaggi3 Fri 30-Dec-16 17:13:44

Thanks, Anya, I should have thought of that.

Heather23 Fri 30-Dec-16 17:45:27

I do think a lot of these replies are very harsh - we none of us know the answer and it seems to me Cheneslieges 132 that you are very upset at the loss of this friendship and some of these replies might make you feel even worse! I agree with many that returning the pj's was a misjudgement on your part but with the best of (your) intentions. For years my brother spent Xmas with our parents and me and my family as his own had fallen apart. Years later, when I was trying to reach out to him, he told me those Xmas's had been hell for him and I struggled to understand why (he seemed to enjoy them at the time). I now think it is because we had everything he did not - a happy, united family celebrating being together and in a lovely home - his resentment of my "good fortune" has continued and he chooses to have nothing to do with me. We never know what others are thinking of us and how our well-intentioned actions can be perceived quite differently. I would urge you to make new friends to try and fill part of the gap this one has left. You can try one more time in a letter to say how much you miss her friendship and hope all is well and how much you would love to hear from her and leave it at that. As the saying goes 'don't let yesterday's clouds spoil today's sunshine. Good luck.

jefm Fri 30-Dec-16 18:11:30

Yes I agree Heather23 so many of these replies are harsh, judgemental and without compassion. I hope that cheneslieges132 will leave these bloggers to their own thoughts. I know now that my first message was much nearer the mark as is yours Heather23. She cut her blog short and didn't ACTUALLY send the pyjamas back, it was a suggestion to her friend !( a private message exchange) . Its a difficult world out there and if we care we go over and over things in our minds and over analyse, that is all this good friend was doing. You bloggers who started to blame her should rethink your messages in future, yes if someone deserves some straight talking that's fine but we are here to help grans find solutions not make more problems for them. Maybe some of you will rethink what you say and how you say it in 2017. happy New year

Anya Fri 30-Dec-16 18:16:40

Is it me? Blog? Didn't send PJs back.

So it was a wind up? hmm.

Hi jefm or ???

Anya Fri 30-Dec-16 18:17:44

Way too obvious!

Jalima Fri 30-Dec-16 18:25:02

I think most of the posts were saying exactly the same as you Heather23, just in a different way.
The recipient of all the largesse may have felt 'obliged' and the 'friendship' seemed to be very one-sided.
When I moved house many years ago I had someone who 'took me over' and I didn't want my life to be run by someone else. It took DH in the end to extricate us (the whole family) from her overwhelming 'kindness'. Not intentionally and he was very polite but she never did speak to us again.

I didn't know that I was a 'blogger'
How exciting!

Jalima Fri 30-Dec-16 18:26:30

can you do that?
blog under two names?

Anniebach Fri 30-Dec-16 18:28:13

Being a pea brain , have I been insulted ? What is a blogger ?

EileenS14 Fri 30-Dec-16 18:39:30

Thank you Heather, I do too totally unnecessary. The lady asked for help not an attack, and if you go over some of the posts you can obviously see why. I too had sam training and I would never ever have replied to someone reaching out in this way. A few other ladies posts are honest but supportive. So I would just listen to those. We have all had terrible troubles to cope with in our lives and some still do. You would think of a site like this to be a place of support honesty and comfort when you want to mull a problem over. No wonder cheinleise is not commenting at the moment. You can be honest without the downright nastines. Let's hope the lady is ok and not even more confused. She said she had awful nightmares and the age of 78 hope she has a loving family too. But you know what they say it's easier to talk to strangers etc. I dearly hope you are able to sort this out in your head with the quidance of the constructive posts. Step back for a bit or I suppose you could say you would like to visit, that might get the daughter to answer you and she can be honest and tell you where you went wrong. And remember some people go on these sites for a hobby just to be nasty. Best wishes.

Witzend Fri 30-Dec-16 18:40:17

Personally I would never return a present, however unsuitable. I would either keep it to give to someone else, or take it to a charity shop. But I would always thank whoever gave it, as if it had been just right.

I dare say that even though you meant it for the best, was what upset your friend, if there's no dementia involved. Dementia can make people act quite unlike themselves, and they can and do quite often turn against the very people who have been dearest to them. And they can imagine all sorts of nasty acts by those very people, and relate them to other people, who may well believe them to be true.
It's worth adding that people who are new to dementia (maybe the daughter?) may well be quite unaware of this aspect of the disease.

DaphneBroon Fri 30-Dec-16 18:40:41

What is all this cr*p about "blogging"??
OP asked for opinions and advice, members expressed their opinions, end of.
Whether the PJs went back or not the "kindly" text (!) indicated they were to be returned "so that the donor could get her money back" for heaven's sake!! Whatever happened to a phone call or a thank you letter?? Would a "soul mate even a sister" not deserve more?
IMHO the OP does inded come across as entirely patronising and "lady bountiful"
Whether or not her BFF has developed dementia, OP has been tactless and sounds very mercenary to have recollected in such detail the extent of her largesse.
Other members have been gentler than I so I will happily shoulder the criticism of "harshness" as this seems to me yet another example of an OP looking for reassurance that they could not possibly be at fault . tchhmm