Vegans?

Rosesarered, you tried to be welcoming and pleasant but were met with aggressive dismissal.
Iam64, having voiced your opinion about the tone of some of the responses on this thread and you have been insulted.
I have been accused of saying things that I did not say and no apology has been forthcoming, then having been challenged to back up my factual comments I provided the required information and suddenly the subject is changed.
I have been thinking long and hard about where all this aggression emanates from. I wonder if it could be related to diet?

Espree at 29:23 you said along the lines of if a vegan diet made everyone as aggressive as you, I am glad there are so few of them. Which my take is say durhamjen was being aggressive for stating her view. I posted Iam first and you second and thought it was obvious that Iam was the poster who said durahemjen was being hectoring and disapproving and you the poster who said she was aggressive. She wasn't being any of those things but you and Iam were the ones who called her names.

Further down I did get you both mixed up, which I do apologise for. It's taken me ages to get back, busy day yesterday, then later when I tried the wifi was extremely slow. Which is why I did not go back while writing this post to check I had quoted you exactly, it takes ages when it is slow.

Sue1169 I am having the same experience as you. I live in rural Australia and see the sheep with their lambs knowing their fate, it does upset me. One of the locals was saying about a truck which overturned and some of the sheep had broken legs. This man said the sheep were trying to follow the others but they have no feelings and couldn't feel any pain. With that sort of attitude some people will never be convinced that animals do have feelings. Can you image them caring about these animals being killed humanely.

Thank you Faye, I'm afraid unless you refer to whom you are replying it is often unclear. I have found many of the replies on this thread highly aggressive in tone even if you haven't. In fact Durhamjen has been gratuitously offensive to different people on a number of threads of late and I am tired of it as it is so unnecessary. I am happy to support individual choice, cater for vegans and vegetarians and respect their views.

I used to cook the Sunday barbecues at our local pub in London. Barbecues are typically heavily reliant on meat and mine were no exception, although I quite often included seafood and fish on the menu. However, I was always happy to prepare something specially for vegetarians and vegans and always made sure that it was in a foil parcel so not cooked directly on a grill that had been used for meat. I had many compliments from my vegetarian and vegan customers who returned Sunday after Sunday.

I do eat meat, but serve a vegetarian meal once or twice a week simply because Mr absent and I like it and it is often very economical. I don't understand why there should be any hassling of vegetarians and vegans by omnivores or any hassling of omnivores by non-meat eaters and those who prefer not to consume any any animal products.

There's a kind of sliding scale about all this. I will always buy leather in preference to plastic shoes. If I eat beef, which I do occasionally, I am in no position to be hoity-toity about leather. Equally, I would never wear a fur coat as the animals are either trapped, hunted or, more often, farmed simply for their fur. I don't need a fur coat but accept that Eskimos probably do.

Waitrose appears to have run out of vegan hot cross buns.
Does anyone know where I can buy any anywhere else, or do I have to make my own again?

For those of you who think eating meat is natural.

theconversation.com/our-ancestors-were-cannibals-and-probably-not-because-they-needed-the-calories-75667

theconversation.com/why-we-should-tax-meat-that-contains-antibiotics-75721

Just had roast Welsh beef, medium rare, and it was beautiful.

The canabalism article in no way refutes the fact that meat eating was a natural development with evidence stretching back 1.5+ million years. It was an interesting read though.
Just accept that you prefer not to eat meat and animal related products (which is perfectly OK) and stop trying to persuade people that they should do the same for spurious reasons.

No. Read the OP. It was asking for reasons. I, and other vegans, will continue giving reasons.You don't have to read them.
This thread is about veganism, not eating meat.

What is a semi-sensible conclusion for vegans?
The sensible one would be for everyone else to give up meat, so we don't have any problems eating anywhere. The semi-sensible one would be for there to be lots more vegetarians who understood veganism.

Either would be fine for me.

A query DJ as a vegan you won't eat eggs. But my 5 chucks are happy, able to range, have plenty of space, a secure shed for night and so on. They abandon their eggs after they've laid them so they are not possessive about them.

Would you consider eating an egg from this kind of situation or not?

Interesting new documentary about diet and health called "Eating You Alive".Google it for clips.

Durhamjen, the OP has long since deserted the thread (and who can blame her!). I always feel obligated to challenge incorrect facts and you introduced the article on canabalism with the words "for those of you who think eating meat is natural". In no way does the article imply that eating meat is not natural. Whenever you are challenged on the incorrect "facts" you spout your solution is to change the subject.

A sensible solution Durhamjen would be for everyone including vegans to choose their own diet and desist from trying to convert others to their beliefs. (belief being acceptance that something is true especially without proof)

One of my closest friend was a vegetarian (I'm not), whenever she came to me I would happily prepare a vegetarian meal for us both and when I went to her I would not expect her to prepare a meal with meat because I knew handling meat would upset her. However, whenever we went out to eat she had no problems with my having meat and never once tried to make me change my mind. The fact was that we each respected the others decision and maintained a close friendship right up to her death.

I think that is evidence that your friend was a kind, polite individual who loved you and valued your friendship sunseeker. But do not underestimate the distress and even revulsion many vegetarians and vegans (probably more so) will feel on watching someone eat meat. It can be very difficult in our meat-centric society to walk into a restaurant and be faced with the smell of meat cooking, or sit across from someone tucking into a juicy steak and still enjoy one's own meal. It's something we simply have to get used to.

Nightowl I understand what you say about some vegetarians and vegans not being comfortable about eating alongside someone eating meat but not all Vegetarians or vegans feel the same. One of my best friends has been vegetarian for the last 30 years, in that time time she has been married and raised 4 children, she has cooked meat for her Husband and children and any visitors to her house, she uses the same pots, pans, crockery etc. She stopped eating meat after a school visit to a slaughter house, she accepts it is her choice not to eat meat and has never preached at anyone over their choice of diet and will defend her childrens choice to eat meat.
Two other friends who are vegan are very evangelical about their choice, they will not visit any meat eaters homes whether there for a meal or not, they wont visit any pubs that have meat on their menu even if they are only there for a drink. They moan that they never get invited to any social gatherings and even missed his Grandfathers funeral because it the wake afterwards wasnt vegan.
I understand and respect peoples choice of diet but there is no need for aggressive preaching ( not you Night owl) that some people revel in regarding their dietary choice.

Nightowl When out with my vegetarian friend I would never have been so thoughtless as to order a "juicy steak" or anything which would mean I had a slab of meat on my plate. We both loved Italian food so I would generally order something like a bolognese or lasagne.

I have noticed that Ask has quite a few vegan meals on their menu now, and they even label their vegan puddings. That's a huge advance. Vegans aren't supposed to eat puddings!

Just realised, no boiled eggs to jarp this year.

Anya, I presume you bought or were given your chucks for eggs. As I don't eat eggs, I would have no need for chickens.
So I'd say no thanks, give them to someone else.

I don't know if anyone other than a vegan would have thought of checking for this in food ingredients lists.
Lots of shiny foods, like citrus or chocolate have shellac in their coatings. It sounds pretty revolting, and I'd love to know who thought of using it. It's obviously for cosmetic purposes and no nutritional value.

www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiHurjUw5fTAhVkDsAKHcVyAjwQFggkMAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FShellac&usg=AFQjCNEg23Lyt4BXpYMcb-7dj-cC9q_yOA

A delicious vegan simnel cake. Just in case anyone wants to make one.

www.veganrecipeclub.org.uk/recipes/easter-simnel-cake

By the way, if you make a vegan cake you can lick the spoon.