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@NHS Do you trust Theresa May?

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Serkeen Wed 07-Jun-17 15:35:51

@NHS Quote on twitter

"A vote for this government is a vote against the NHS

Do you trust Theresa May? Or do you trust your doctors, nurses, teachers and police officers"?

What do you think, is this true?

Ana Wed 07-Jun-17 15:39:57

How long have you been on GN, Serkeen? grin

(Sorry, but there have been many, many threads along those lines and most of the politica threads contain reference to the NHS and who can/cannot be trusted...)

whitewave Wed 07-Jun-17 15:40:04

Of course it is..
What about the plan to be implemented immediately after the election of the most swinging cuts ever leading to the death of the NHS.

Vote Tory vote for private health

Rigby46 Wed 07-Jun-17 15:44:01

One of the problems with the political threads at the moment is that some if them morph into an undiffertiated mass covering a whole range of policy areas. It's much better I think to have more targeted ones in particular policy areas

whitewave Wed 07-Jun-17 15:44:06

serkeen welcome if you are new smile

Not everyone is negative you will find if you decide to stay

yggdrasil Wed 07-Jun-17 15:44:09

Just look at the Naylor Report, easily found by googling.
Of course May can be trusted to privatise the NHS. They are half way there already

Crafting Wed 07-Jun-17 16:01:38

I have worked for the NHS for over 26 years with Labour and Conservative governments. There will be no difference. Despite all the talk from both sides, there never is.

Serkeen Wed 07-Jun-17 16:12:51

Thank you whitewavesmile Can not agree more Crafting

Jane10 Wed 07-Jun-17 16:24:24

Me too crafting 34 years in the NHS. 34 years of talk and planning. Nothing changes except expectations.

whitewave Wed 07-Jun-17 16:26:08

Well the figures don't show that nothing has changed to be true I'm afraid

Rigby46 Wed 07-Jun-17 16:40:12

So the improvement in waiting times under Blair are a figment of our imagination? My husband's cancer treatment with the 2 week target for seeing the consultant compared with what happened under the Tories was just something I dreamed ?Grow up

Jane10 Wed 07-Jun-17 16:49:24

Grow up? How dare you! Like many others I actually worked hard in the NHS. I'm not some sort of armchair critic or basing my comments on one unfortunate patients case.

whitewave Wed 07-Jun-17 16:50:33

And the report leaked by the NHS chiefs jane ?! how can you say nothing will change?

Rigby46 Wed 07-Jun-17 16:54:35

Oh Jane given my professional links and background across both primary and secondary NHS care, I very dare tell you to grow up. The NHS in 97 had been a disgrace for years and it vastly improved under Blair. It is pathetic, untrue and childish to say that nothing changed.

kittylester Wed 07-Jun-17 17:06:07

I have two friends whose husband's have had cancers diagnosed within 2 weeks. I needed to see my GP today and had no trouble getting in.

There is no need to be personal rigby - Jane and crafting have as much right as you to have an opinion. As do I!

Crafting Wed 07-Jun-17 17:10:00

Sorry Rigby but we are all entitled to our opinions without being told to grow up (strange comment actually, I can't quite see what you are getting at. If I don't agree with you I am being childish is that what you mean?)

As I said I worked in the NHS too, both in secondary and primary care and things in my opinion were not better under Blair. He made no difference at all.

Reports are all well and good but if you work on the front line and the reports don't tie up with what you see at work then you tend not to take too much notice of them..

f77ms Wed 07-Jun-17 17:11:30

I worked for the NHs , have friends still working who all say the last few years have been very difficult under the Tories . They feel they are deliberately starving it of funds to pave the way for privatisation .

Jane10 Wed 07-Jun-17 17:12:47

Oh sorry , you have "links" obviously you'll know more than a humble actual professional who has indeed grown up in the NHS. All that will change will be more meetings, talking and planning irrespective of who is elected. Meanwhile, people will get older and become ill for longer. Newer and more expensive treatments and resources will be required and the good old NHS as set up all these years ago will have to find new ways to meet new expectations. Hence more meetings and planning.

whitewave Wed 07-Jun-17 17:15:00

How do you explain all the doctors, nurses etc coming on both the mainstream media or social media saying what a disaster the Tories are residing over?

Rigby46 Wed 07-Jun-17 17:16:08

I have every right to disagree as strongly as I wish with a post - I would love to see a reputable link to somewhere like The Kings Fund that demonstrates that nothing got better under Blair and that we are not now going back to pre Blair days. Unless you can provide that level of evidence, then I'll continue to criticise comments that are completely evidence free.

Rigby46 Wed 07-Jun-17 17:20:52

Jane you said nothing changes. What on earth did you mean then? Did I dream the two week cancer target? Under Blair, there weren't just more meetings etc in the NHS. There was more money and better care. There was a commitment to the NHS which does not exist now.

rosesarered Wed 07-Jun-17 17:27:42

Just recently a friend was diagnosed with breast cancer, she saw a consultant in ten days, and had the lump removed a week later! I was surprised at the speed of it all.It may depend where you live in the UK but fast times for cancer are obviously happening.

rosesarered Wed 07-Jun-17 17:29:24

All institutions constantly clamour for more money be it the NHS or Police or schools.

Jane10 Wed 07-Jun-17 17:35:28

Clearly it depends on where people live and the varying pressures on the massive number of different departments and specialities within this colossal service. As a lead clinician myself I can say that our particular service had only a maximum 2 week waiting list.

kittylester Wed 07-Jun-17 18:11:12

I have links too! I am married to a man who worked hard on the front line of the nhs for fifty years.

The exponential rise in the numbers of managers (with no knowledge or experience but degrees in business) and all the inefficiencies are a big factor in the nhs's problems.