Niqab/burqa ban in Netherlands

Phone took on its independent life there and posted. I want to add, important to discuss issues that we find s bit of s challenge

I've never seen a bee keeper/welder with full face cover out on my high street, I won't say never cos who knows some dickhead avant garde fashion designer might put them out on the catwalk anytime soon and as a consequence they could become de rigueur

In stitches here TerriBull
Yes, wouldn't be surprised to see a cat-walk model wearing a bee-keepers outfit come London Fashion Week!

I was brought up in a household where I was told that " it was rude to stare ". Also to be " pass-remarkable " was a no-no too. Maybe manners ought to be adopted ?

I believe any country can ban women and men whose faces covered from entering public buildings or using public transport.

Here (Denmark) it is illegal to sit public examinations unless your face can be seen, and France banned girls wearing head-scarves in public schools quite some years ago now.

Morocco has just banned women in burqas or niqab from entering public buildings and so, I believe, has Tunasia.

Plenty of women walking around my area covered up from head to foot in the winter. Boots, jeans and Parkas!!
Also what makes me feel uncomfortable are women in tight leggings showing off everything theyve got. Put it away dear.
Plenty of criminals walking about with their faces uncovered , you dont need to be wearing a Burqa or a balaclava to be up to no good.
I wouldnt want anyone to have to cover their face but its up to them and their culture/religion.

In lots of Muslim countries there is no requirement to cover the head. Its a middle Eastern habit originally developed to protect the head and face from sand.
I was told this by Muslim women who were fed up at other Muslim women and saw it as 'virtue signalling'. My Bangladeshi friend even refused to talk to 'these covered up women. Who do they think they are?' she said!!

AUSTRIA
BELGIUM
BULGARIA
KOSOVO
DENMARK
FRANCE
GERMANY
LATVIA
NETHERLANDS
NORWAY
ALGERIA
SYRIA
TUNISIA
SPAIN
CHAD
CAMAROON
NIGER
CONGO BRAZZAVILLE
SWITZERLAND

Maybe more.

Happy to be corrected but it is my belief the above list of countries either have a ban on the wearing of the burka /chadaree or partial ban on face covering.

It is also a fact not all Muslims want, adhere to, believe in the wearing of the burka/ chadaree so the chant of ' racist' does not necessarily even make sense.

Context!

There'll be a ban on nuns habits next and the brothers who dwell in monasteries. Or the beautiful Dashiki clothes of African ladies in case it upsets people.

Get a flaming life !!

EllanVannin
We sell quite a few Dashiki outfits through the charity shop where I work. Haven't come across a face covering to go with the outfits. Must ask the ladies if they've forgotten them next time they donate.

That's just mean and sarcastic petra.

EllenVannin, I’ve been on planes with Women who board with the full burka on.
They usually go to the loo after take off and remove it! Have you never experienced that?

We are animals and use facial expressions to judge responses etc. I don’t think that one can interact with someone whose face is invisible as well as one that can be seen. Whatever one feels about the rights and wrongs, surely a mask is a barrier?
Catholic’s use the barrier in the confessional box to ensure anonymity.
Re: the female jockey in the hijab, I am not too sure why that hit the headlines. How was wearing it ever going to affect how she rode?

Lessismore
Well spotted, Sherlock.

I see the nasty stakes have ramped up.

It can be a little embarassing to have to occupy the same small room as someone who draws attention to herself by unusual clothing, e.g. ethnic dress, body piercings, mismatched shoes , show-offy designer stuff, and so forth. I think one has to try not to look embarassed .

Pamela of course I've flown with them.I said so earlier on, plus I knew they removed them for when they ate/drank.

It can be embarrassing sharing a small room with a judgemental old bat in twin set and pearls.

What Day said, as soon as anything is mentioned about muslims or the way they dress or any comment we are branded racist
If we lived in a muslim country,or any other country for that matter, we would have to abide by their laws
I agree that faces shouldn't be covered, at least

To feel startled by someone else's unusual dress is not the same as judging them.

Everyone should reveal their face for security reasons. Try going into a bank with a crash helmet or balaclava on and see what the staff have to say. Does this country expect equality or not, or are some more equal than others, as Orwell would say?

I have to laugh at the suggestion that when confronted with someone who’s face is completely covered your response should be to smile at them. Really? How do you know that they are smiling back or sneering at you?

It doesn't hurt to smile at people, whether you can see their face or not.

Ellen I know you have flown with them, that is why I addressed the question to you.
They used to take the whole lot off in the loo. Emerged with their designer jeans on, no face covering.
Maybe it’s changed? It was 30 years ago. Maybe got stricter?

I have no problem with what anyone chooses to wear - however I do think there are occasions when it is necessary for the face to be seen, entering a bank or building society or passing through a security check.

I wouldn't want to see someone wearing one and driving a car, that would be scary.

I think it may well be a bar to integration though as it must be a lot harder to start a friendship with someone who can't eat with you and when you can't see what they are thinking.

DS was put out when the man who had bought his house, without his wife seeing it, came round to show her what he had bought and met Dil. He wouldn't shake DiLs hand and DS wondered if it was racist (DiL is non-white) but we now think it was because some Muslim men won't touch a woman. Strange as he kept calling himself Dr which is only usual for medical doctors to do.