Girl Guide leader expelled from post.

Absolutely, MissA.
Gonegirl you are showing some very stereotyped views, there.

By the way, 'intimate care' was mentioned earlier.
I'm guessing that may be needed if a young girl - Rainbow age, or maybe Brownie - has an 'accident'.
I expect there have to be 2 people there but, even so, I wouldn't be happy for a man claiming to be a woman to do that for my DGD.

Well yes, if you think someone with a bushy beard is going to be classed as a man. Stereotyping indeed. Quite rightly.

You really think GirrrlWhatsisfeatures would be accepted as a Girl Guide Captain? Really?! #specsavers

In the current climate, who knows.
How manly would a transwoman have to be to not be accepted as a woman?
If Alex shaved his beard off, would that be enough?
(He already wears skirts and make-up)

The 'female' nurse my friend, a previous victim of sexual assault, was assigned for her smear test had a beard, a deep voice and a male physique but the nurse assured my friend they were a woman. The doctors practice had to accept this nurse was the person they claimed to be. I can see that that could also happen in the GG world. As for intimate care, if GG are inclusive and have disabled children in their movement, there could indeed be a need for intimate care.

My friend's experience was doubted by some on GN when I first wrote about it but the truth was proven when the case was reported in the Sunday Times.

Your friend would have been able to request a different nurse Suedonim.

I think this thread is drifting off into la-la land. Certainly nothing to do with young people who are unhappy with the gender they have been designated.

FarNorth if your GC was ill would you allow a male nurse to attend her?
Even when children have accidents youth leaders do not give "intimate care" a child would be provided with clean clothing but left to wash and clean herself.
A lot of irrelevant stuff on here.
And anyone can refuse a physical examination without giving a reason.

She had already requested a female nurse, Gonegirl before her appointment, because of the previous sexual assault. That's who she was allocated. Why should she have had to undergo another distressing and threatening experience, then make another appointment, take more time off work and psyche herself her again.

We read often enough that women are not attending their smear tests - why make it even harder?

Um, Trisher how do you expect a girl in a wheelchair with cerebral palsy and physical disabilities who wears pads to clean themselves up? Because that's the case with someone I know.

Wrt my previous post, I've already pointed out that the person did request a female nurse beforehand. It's a waste of time and resources to have to rebook.

I have come to this discussion rather late but one thought (which I don't think has been mentioned) strikes me as relevant.

Given that we are talking about children and young people whose sexual preferences have yet to be set in stone, who should NOT (under the law) be engaging in sexual activity and if transitioning will not yet be fully their new chosen gender -

Why would they and their parents make such a fuss to have them in the Guides, when there is an organisation with identical ethos and similar activities and unisex uniforms which is open to both boys and girls i.e. The Scouts.

I really question the motives of parents who are unnecessarily turning this into a huge issue for the Guides, probably to the detriment of their own child's self esteem. anonymity and vulnerability.

I don't know if parents of 'transgirls' are making this into a huge issue for GirlGuiding.
Or if GirlGuiding has introduced its trans policies as a result of pressure and, maybe, 'equality training' from transactivists (adults who see this as yet another way to affirm themselves).

It seems that the Scouts Association is still a bit confused, despite stepping back a little from its previous trans policies which were based on advice from Mermaids.

Scouts still advises that trans young people should be able to use the toilets or facilities for the gender they identify as.

So although everyone is aware that Scouts is mixed-sex, most are not aware of quite how mixed the sexes might be.

www.christianconcern.com/our-issues/family-and-sexual-ethics/scouts-scrap-transgender-policy

SueDonim anyone with such needs would have a carer with them. Really people do make up fantasy situations to try and justify their prejudices. Incidently the carer might be male.
I do think there is a lot of fear and worry on this thread which younger people will not experience as they become more accepting and understanding of gender differences.

How dare you accuse me of making up fantasies, Trisher! You have no clue as to my friend's circumstances. And fwiw, she does not and will never have to have male carers, that is clearly written into her care plan.

It's people like you who make life so difficult for parents caring for children such as she has.

SueDonim Of course I don't know your friend, I was simply pointing out that the duties of a GG leader are unlikely to involve caring for the person you described. Youth leaders are volunteers and they look after a group of children, they are not able to provide personal care because in doing so they would be unable to supervise the larger group.
I shall ignore your personal remarks.

Females can request only female carers.
The sex discrimination act used to be exempt in these cases.
The act may have changed, but still, I think the wish for same sex carers is still valid.

Strangely enough, I work with a female to male carer who had to leave his job looking after a teen female after many years once his sex change was complete.

The Equality Act 2010 is clear that there can be single-sex exemptions where it is a proportionate means to achieve a legitimate aim.
Trans people with a GRC can be excluded by this, so that they are treated as their biological sex.

Trans organisations often state the opposite - saying that the assumed gender has to be accepted as factual sex at all times.

Perhaps the teen girl mentioned by MissA found it confusing or unsettling that her female carer now looked like a man.

There would be the same issues with the Scouts. Just because they take both sexes doesn't mean that they would be all in together so far as tents and showers are concerned when away on trips.

I think Guides is probably quite a bit different to Scouts.

(That was in response to Granny23)

medium.com/@JonahMix/an-open-letter-to-the-guy-on-twitter-who-wonders-if-biological-sex-is-real-58d2cb4403f5

Good article, notanan2.

I cannot see, in the link, that she actually refused anything. She is a radical feminist who does not / cannot agree or accept that some babies are born with a set of genitalia that does not match their gender. She is/was a member of a national organisation that has a set of rules. The article does not explain if she contributed to the consultation when deciding to amend arrangements to accommodate t/g children. In my experience it is never kids who worry about this just adults!

PECS it’s often adults who worry, maybe because of prejudice but maybe because we have more life experience and knowledge.
This issue is complex for all of us. I have a possibly transgender grandson

I agree with Granny23!

PECS was there a consultation?
I understood that the new policy was simply notified to Guide leaders, while girls and parents were told nothing - not even that there is now a policy whereby male-bodied leaders and youth are to be included as females if they so choose.