Covid italian mother-in-law

Thank you for your concern Naty
I think we are well educated with all the news about the virus we have been filled on an hourly basis
Of course it’s right that if you only have equipment for one person the younger and healthier gets it no point in saving a person at the end of their life if a younger person is in need These decisions have always had to be made and will be more relevant than ever now

We may get to the stage of Isolating like Italy but it’s not happened yet i am still working in the general public still shopping still going on the bus Others have chosen to be more Cautious what is right for you is right for you
Each person must make that choice based on their own feelings and their own health until it is made for us on a national level

My main message to everyone is ‘stay grounded’ social media is now awash with Conspiratorial theories from terrorist attacks to population management to money making vaccines

Stay sensible and cautious and follow guideline but keep level headed and do not panic, as they say ‘this too will pass’

I doubt the choice will ever be between a young and 'fit' and an old and ill. It will be between an old, but fit and a young person with compromised health.

Reducing what will be difficult and complex choices to blindingly obvious ones, is neither illuminating nor helpful.

That DOES worry me, Naty. I'm planning to go home to stay in the UK in my home with my family. It's school holiday anyway and my flights have been booked for a while. BUT my grandson... There is no way I can be in the house with him and not interact with him.

Urgh.

Naty, what a well timed break!
We are in contact with my husbands elderly Nanny in Turin, she is 82 and healthy but so missing her normal routine of shopping, socialising and being with her grandchildren.
It is a frightening time.
As a couple we are in semi isolation, no gym, restaurants, supermarkets etc.
I really believe that if we all cut out unnecessary travel and outings we could reduce the spread dramatically.

Naty .....we are not in the same position as Italy at the moment, and have all the advice we need.Thanks anyway.?

Naty I hope you are following the same guidelines in Canada?

We may not wish to think about this but the “three wise men” protocol of rationing care or treatment when there are insufficient resources has existed long before now. I believe it was first developed during the 2009 Swine flu epidemic. Under it three senior consultants in a hospital may give priority to those who are most likely to benefit or make a recovery.
An uncomfortable thought, but who among us has not thought or said in the past that they would wish their children (and now grandchildren) to receive treatment before ourselves?

We SHOULD be doing what Italy is doing. Halt it in its tracks.

Agree entirely MawB no question about it imo

Naty Thank you for that. We are aware of the situation in Italy, although it isn’t anywhere near as bad as that here but I’m erring on the side of caution and staying put as much as possible and even keeping away from my grandsons as much as I can. My sons and friends think I’m overreacting but I’m taking this seriously.

lemongrove, very true 'we are not in the same position as Italy at the moment'. No we are not:

'We have half as many intensive care beds per capita as Italy has' (Dr Ron Daniels, NHS ICU Consultant)

..and yet our government still fails to take appropriate action. Why are 3000 Madrid fans coming over to Liverpool - just for a football match? It's insane!

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-mps-gary-lineker-question-17905004

Well said, Hetty.

The Prime Minister of Canada's wife has covid from the UK!

You aren't in Italy's position yet.

The governments need to respond quickly and people need to take this into their own hands through social distancing as much as possible.

Thank you very much. I wish you well.

You're still anxious aren't you Naty?

Am I detecting an element of “blame” in some comments- as if we in the U.K. are to blame for Sophie Trudeau’s virus?
Any transatlantic flight carries risks and who is to say where or from whom she caught it.

I guess it had UK written on a little flag MawB

The latest figures from Italy make sobering reading. I felt quite emotional thinking about the poor doctors and medical staff having to let so many die. Their psychological wellbeing must be being compromised along with their own immune systems as they are under such strain.

Gagajo but Italy has not managed to halt it in its tracks.

Stay where you are, Naty and stay safe, best not to fly like Sophie Trudeau did! She could have caught the COVID-19 anywhere.
Babies and young children apparently do not seem to be so susceptible to the virus.

Some sensible posts on this thread, Bluebelle, MawB.

I think far more people have had this than we realised.

Sophie Trudeau was here on the 4th March - was she incubating the virus and did she bring the virus to the UK?

But Callistemon, they are doing everything in their power to try. They are doing what China did (without the new hospitals).

They're not willingly letting it spread throughout the population.

So, when it returns next year with a vengeance, there will be no herd immunity. What then ?

Naty I am writing from the centre of Italy and, yes, the situation is just as you describe.

If only I could get my dear ones in Britain to take this seriously: my daughter and husband still go out to the pub most evenings. She says if they close the pubs in Britain there will be a revolution and laughs!

My sister gaily left on a trip to Normandy this morning (coach and ferry) to see the Bayeux Tapestry. I felt she was mad to go, suggested she wore gloves on the journey for hygiene reasons. She hadn't even thought of that. Anyway, got there to discover all museums are closed.

Here the doctors and nurses are exhausted. I have seen photos of their faces, bruised and grazed from the masks and protectiveglasses they wear for hours at a time.

However, should I fall ill I would rather be cared for here in Italy than anywhere else in the world.

Italians have been ignoring the risks, though, haven't they.

Why is it worse there than anywhere else in Europe? and now has spread out from Italy, with visitors to Italy bringing the virus home to the UK unwittingly and spreading it in schools here.