So, GN members, what do you think of this!

Thank you Callistemon, appreciate that you understood my response to allium

I don't think she will be having any contact with the newborn, but her son & girlfriend should not have gone to "help" look after the other children just because they wanted to see them!

They could spread it to the other children who may be asymptomatic, spread it to the new baby and other members of the family, then onwards to others, as SirChenjin's post shows.

There are two ways at looking at this Sweden which has no lockdown has some people self isolating themselves in Italy that had strict lockdown people were creeping out to shop most days just to get out the house
I m not sure which ways are right or wrong We have no way of knowing if we have immunity or not until they get this blasted test sorted out We may be going mad staying in washing everything and already have immunity or we may have had the virus without even realising it and could be out there being useful We may be punishing ourselves unnecessarily or we may not be being careful enough no one seems to know

The situation in Sweden is going the same way as other countries - it’s not as rosy as some people believe and of course the Swedish demographic is vastly different from Italy or Spain www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/15/sweden-coronavirus-death-toll-reaches-1000

phoenix and Callistemon
Absolutely correct, life will indeed be shorter for some people if others can’t follow the rules.

I'm beginning to question why I am observing the lockdown so rigidly - when clearly quite a number of people are not. Surely after 25 days of lockdown ( since March 23rd) there should be far fewer ( or even none) new cases of Covid 19 as I thought the incubation period is around three weeks? So people who are now becoming ill have come into contact with someone carrying the virus during lockdown period. Or am I missing something? Not every new case of Covid 19 appears to be someone who is a key worker.

I am not in an especially vulnerable group and I live alone so total isolation has been tough. I have been to the shops twice since the 23rd March and have not left my house at all, not even for exercise, although I do have a garden to get fresh air. I don't "socialise" in my front garden with neighbours or passers by, I don't go out for a drive, I don't go out for exercise and chat to all and sundry in parks, I havnt seen friends or family and I'm fed up! I can't visit my 87 yr old mother who is stuck in hospital which is really upsetting as I used to look after her most days.

I appreciate that I am lucky enough to be able to isolate like this but I was under the impression that everybody was doing the same! I don't share my house with someone who has to go out to work so I can reduce my risk.

In this country we appear to be doing something wrong, either impose tighter lockdown like they did in Italy or relax the measures as in Sweden - but don't have this half measured approach that some people just ignore. Our death rate is so high even after the lockdown measures.

Right, rant over!

Working in a care home and carrying on family life as if all were well is really not on.
A care home not far from us lost 15 residents, they did not catch the virus by socialising outside the home.

I agree teacheranne I m in a similar situation to you but I do go for my daily walk but it does seem a halfway house in U.K. with lots of people ‘sort of’ hibernating except ‘just to ....’ and it’s obviously not working but I also don’t think some other countries are as strict as we are led to believe I have one daughter in Ireland and she was berating our gov for not being strict enough, but then she tells me my grandkids meet their friends but stay a few feet apart (yeah sure) and she goes to exercise with friends but stays a distance I have a friend in Holland they still have some restaurants etc open and seem much more relaxed about the lockdown my son in NZ they go on three hour runs or family cycle rides (keeping their distance) My poor teen grandkids here have hardly left the house for six weeks and haven’t seen any friends only online
I fear for their mental health their mums a key worker and I can’t go to their house so they are just in hibernation

18:18SirChenjin

And there is something you can do - you can speak to them or call the police.

What sort of snitch are you??? I can imagine you standing behind your net curtains all day, desperate to catch out one of your neighbours. Get a life!!

SirChenj how very sensible you are but people still don't get it! My niece is just the same life for her has carried on in the same way it always has. She goes to the coast each weekend (because it's her right!) It makes me so cross but a huge family bust-up is not something I can deal with just now.

My daughter lives alone with two small children under age of 2 she is struggling and tired BUT as a mother and grandmother if I visited them and helped her and unknowingly past the virus to her and she died leaving the boys with no mother WHY do these people who visit there families think that this could never happen to them !

Please stop all this spying on neighbours. Theres nothing you can do about it.

Once again, a few utterly thoughtless, selfish bastards are happy to put the lives of others at risk, while I and many like me are putting our lives on hold to protect the people we love. In my case, my 89 year old mother.

Wrong, and totally selfish. It’s people like these who are spreading the virus.

Of course it’s wrong and you are right to be angry. My neighbour is a policeman lovely couple just moved in, but honestly, they do not social distance from us at all,they went sat in other neighbours garden on Easter Sunday. And have never clapped for NHS when we are all outside I live in cul- de-sac of 6 houses so they would have heard the noise. Another neighbour round the corner had visit from police last week as they’ve had 2 social gatherings over Easter 6 people at bbq they are in there 60’s someone reported them.Makes my blood boil. What is wrong with people.!!!

I am a carer for my 2 , adult, autistic children. Last night my 28 year old daughter had a meltdown, scary spider in her room, she is so desperate to see her dad. I let her phone him but he wanted to come around and turned up on doorstep at 9am. Now he is a key worker, funeral director in constant contact with CV through this, and has his own household, so i felt really cruel but turned him away. Daughter will have to facetime him, or wave from window.
there is no point us isolating then letting someone from outside the household in however hard it is.

Wrong,wrong,wrong, my grandchildren live just up the road to me. Do I want to see them. Yes I certainly do. Am I going to see them NO. because we have been told not to, and I don't want to risk there health. I get a little irritated when people don't abide by these rules.

None of your business
Just do what you are doing and follow the rules
I’m so glad I have to go to work everyday otherwise my mental health would be shot to pieces
If they catch and spread the virus to each other they’ll only have themselves to blame

I wonder if anybody has an opinion on this little dilema?
I would like to do something out of the home on a voluntary basis and I have seen soem opportunities. One of the them is " drivers mate" helping out whilst the driver distributes food to those who need it.
My question is, is this safe? Why is this OK and I am not allowed to see my family for 1o minutes.

There are many wonderful people out there working, whether in their normal jobs or voluntarily, putting themselves at risk for others.
It depends how risk averse you are and, if you decide to do this to help others, then you must make sure to follow all the rules, not see your family for your own sake and for them and others.

Are there normally two people in one vehicle? That does not seem to be within the rules.

Wrong.
Especially as someone works in a care home and could easily kill off the residents if she takes the virus in there.
At Tesco on Wednesday I waited behind a woman and her husband. She was still wearing her uniform and Im not sure why both of them had to go and shop together? Are care home workers not asked to remove inform before leaving and change once they arrive for work.? The virus can easily come into homes or from homes on clothing.
A very bad time to have relatives in Care Homes?

Totally irresponsible especially being a care worker. Obviously no need for PPE in that care home as your neighbour and her family are totally immune to Covid19. Bad enough her going off to another household to look after GC but lugging the others with her, unbelievable! Some people certainly think they are above the law and don't give a toss for others.

IMO by not telling your neighbour in as non confrontational way as possible that what they are doing is very wrong then you are being complicit. It is people like your nice kind neighbour making up their own misguided version of the rules that is causing the spread of this virus. AND she works with vunerable old people!

Just to clear this all up: ?????

Lockdown rules...probably.

1. You MUST NOT leave the house for any reason, but if you have a reason, you can leave the house

2. Masks are useless at protecting you against the virus, but you may have to wear one because it can save lives, but they may not work, but they may be mandatory, but maybe not

3. Shops are closed, except those shops that are open

4. You must not go to work but you can get another job and go to work

5. You should not go to the Drs or to the hospital unless you have to go there, unless you are too poorly to go there

6. This virus can kill people, but don’t be scared of it. It can only kill those people who are vulnerable or those people who are not vulnerable. It’s possible to contain and control it, sometimes, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster

7. Gloves won't help, but they can still help so wear them sometimes or not

8. STAY HOME, but it's important to go out

9. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarkets, but there are many things missing. Sometimes you won’t need loo rolls but you should buy some just in case you need some

10. The virus has no effect on children except those children it affects

11. Animals are not affected, but there was a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested, plus a few tigers here and there…

12. Stay 2 metres away from tigers (see point 11)

13. You will have many symptoms if you get the virus, but you can also get symptoms without getting the virus, get the virus without having any symptoms or be contagious without having symptoms, or be non contagious with symptoms...it's a sort of lucky/unlucky dip

14. To help protect yourself you should eat well and exercise, but eat whatever you have on hand as it's better not to go to the shops, unless you need toilet roll or a fence panel

15. It's important to get fresh air but don't go to parks but go for a walk. But don’t sit down, except if you are old, but not for too long or if you are pregnant or if you’re not old or pregnant but need to sit down. If you do sit down don’t eat your picnic, unless you've had a long walk, which you are/aren't allowed to do if you're old or pregnant

16. Don’t visit old people but you have to take care of the old people and bring them food and medication

17. If you are sick, you can go out when you are better but anyone else in your household can’t go out when you are better unless they need to go out

18. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house. These deliveries are safe. But groceries you bring back to your house have to be decontaminated outside for 3 hours including frozen pizza...

19. You can't see your older mother or grandmother, but they can take a taxi and meet an older taxi driver

20. You are safe if you maintain the safe social distance when out but you can’t go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance

21. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours ... or four hours...or six hours... I mean days, not hours... But it needs a damp environment. Or a cold environment that is warm and dry... in the air, as long as the air is not plastic

22. Schools are closed so you need to home educate your children, unless you can send them to school because you’re not at home. If you are at home you can home educate your children using various portals and virtual class rooms, unless you have poor internet, or more than one child and only one computer, or you are working from home. Baking cakes can be considered maths, science or art. If you are home educating you can include household chores within their education. If you are home educating you can start drinking at 10am

23. If you are not home educating children you can also start drinking at 10am

24. The number of corona related deaths will be announced daily but we don't know how many people are infected as they are only testing those who are almost dead to find out if that's what they will die of… the people who die of corona who aren’t counted won’t or will be counted but maybe not

25. We should stay in locked down until the virus stops infecting people but it will only stop infecting people if we all get infected so it’s important we get infected and some don’t get infected

26. You can join your neighbours for a street party and turn your music up for an outside disco and your neighbours won’t call the police. People in another street are allowed to call the police about your music whilst also having a party which you are allowed to call the police about

27. No business will go down due to Coronavirus except those businesses that will go down due to Coronavirus

Wasn’t mine originally but don’t have a clue who the original author was, sorry.

Two things that affect the
spread of this virus:

1 How dense the population is
2 How dense the population is