People who menstruate

Cervical cancer is fine, cervix havers is unnecessary. I really don't understand because I get a letter asking me to come for a smear so I do. I get a letter asking me to come for a breast exam so I do. That's fine and proactive but marketing solely towards women when men may get breast cancer is a problem.

Incidently neither letter mentions my gender.

So do you get to set the line starblaze? I am just interested in why you get that authority and other women dont. Those who objected to the use of cervix havers recently were threatened with rape, violence etc or just told they were bigots.

No one can ever ever change their sex.

Well Star I’ve seen breast cancer awareness campaigns aimed at men, reminding them that it can happen, albeit rarely, to them

And it's very important that those campaigns talk about sex not gender as in many health issues the presentation of symptoms is very different for men and women.

Nope, no setting any lines here, just trying to understand.

Women who menstuate and people who menstuate is just the same thing. Unless I'm not a people or being a people makes me not a woman which I don't personally feel it does although I understand that others feel the opposite.

I haven't come across the "cervical havers" story so I don't currently know or understand where they are coming from yet. I'll go look.

Can I just ask if my points may be addressed too? If not I'm probably just going to give up on this conversation because it's feeling one sided

Which points are you referring to?

It's another area where women are expected to accommodate, mediate, not challenge but loose ourselves with the aim of keeping the peace. The peace that has silenced women for hundreds of years

Precisely the point I've been trying to get across too Iam64 and it's staggering that some people, who claim to be feminists, just don't see the relevance or connection that the ommission of using the word woman, sets us back decades.

Women are people! And some of them menstruate. I totally agree it’s unnecessary to put this and over the top but it is not excluding women! Just including transgender men who menstruate. And no I don’t understand transgender men but I do believe they exist and some may still menstruate. I’m trying to be open minded.

But why would you not say women and transmen then.

I remember when one of the big arguments for feminists was the name they were called- women or wimmin. Some wanted one, some the other. Strangely enough it seems to have had very little influence or effect on actual people or the lives they lead. I can't see this issue being any more important. I suspect that some of those stating so stridently how important the word "woman" is to our identity and how it has to be kept are simply looking for an excuse to attack trans gender people. They certainly don't know their feminist history when the word "woman" was firmly rejected because of its connotations as wo+man. Interestingly the subject is being debated again with womxn as one chosen word. www.nytimes.com/2019/03/14/style/womxn.html

I suppose you could. I’m not keen on the wording, but just don’t understand the outrage and indignation on here. If I’d seen it I would just have shrugged and thought that's a bit OTT!

That was in Reply to galaxy

Galaxy

But why would you not say women and transmen then.

Because that excludes people who are non-binary who may menstruate

I know men can get breast cancer. However, as far as I am aware, transwomen don't have cervixes, so I would presume, as such they can't get cervical cancer or ovarian cancer or womb cancer. If you know you haven't got a cervix why would you go for a smear

Its a problem if a trans woman dies because they are a woman and did not follow marketing aimed at a gender they don't identify with
It's not possible for a trans woman to die because they are a woman. A trans woman is a biological man, not a woman and no amount of gender feeling or identifying will ever change a man into a woman. Or a woman into a man for that matter.

Flowershop so would you say you are transphobic or trans exclusionary?

It is, however, possible for a trans person to die or become seriously ill because they have had their medical records changed to the wrong sex.

There are several different lower limits for an eGFR, depending on things like a person’s weight, age, gender and race, which are intended to reflect the natural variation in the human body. Based on the female cut-off, [this transman] would have been allowed a transplant immediately. But he’s registered as a man on his medical records, and this meant his doctors used the male eGFR level. He wasn’t put on the list until he reached it – a decision that ultimately delayed the surgery by over a year, and very nearly cost him his life.

Here's the link:

www.bbc.com/future/article/20200814-why-our-medical-systems-are-ignoring-transgender-people

"It means whatever I choose it to mean" Humpty Dumpty. Maybe Lewis Carroll's "Wonderland" wasn't so surreal after all.

FarNorth it's a shame that distinction wasn't made and I hope it wasn't because they were ashamed of having had to make it or what the reaction might be.

Lots of issues that still need addressing for so many

mrsHom I agree with you.
Trying not to offend results in not being able to speak about reality.

Those non binary people are women trisher. To tell them otherwise is going to lead to terrible issues with regard to health. Not using the word women excludes many many women from health care etc but nobody seems to mind about them.

If you lie to people that you can change sex then I am afraid you create these problems.

Galaxy so the extraordinarily high suicide rates amongst children, teens and adults who despite the best of efforts from anyone still feel they were born in the wrong body and wish to change that and were prevented are just an unfortunate statistic?