Strange beliefs about the covid jab

PS I just want to point out that the person who told me I would not longer be family was not someone with any type of education and they have had MH problems in the past as well.

I just hope that anyone who is having delusions and paranoia can realise that they aren't well and need help, rather than shutting themselves off from the family that loves them.

MOnica
Thanks for your reply. She has also stopped contact with my son despite him having always maintained contact and paid the correct amount through CSA. She does have a newish partner but it wasn't a problem when they first met and we have always been pleasant to both of them. However I think you may be right about an excuse as she recently suddenly refused to send my GS to school anymore and I think she knew we were concerned about his education as I don't think she is teaching him much at home. The last video call we had with him he was very nervous and kept glancing to the side every time we asked anything as if she was listening. We kept it light hearted but it was very short as her phone battery was running out. A regular occurrence when speaking to him. My husband called round on the off chance yesterday as he was working nearby but her partner was quite rude and said our GS wasn't there and wouldn't have a reasonable conversation about why they have suddenly cut us off.

the best one was the Bill Gates will microchip us all nonsense.

Janwood66

MOnica
Thanks for your reply. She has also stopped contact with my son despite him having always maintained contact and paid the correct amount through CSA. She does have a newish partner but it wasn't a problem when they first met and we have always been pleasant to both of them. However I think you may be right about an excuse as she recently suddenly refused to send my GS to school anymore and I think she knew we were concerned about his education as I don't think she is teaching him much at home. The last video call we had with him he was very nervous and kept glancing to the side every time we asked anything as if she was listening. We kept it light hearted but it was very short as her phone battery was running out. A regular occurrence when speaking to him. My husband called round on the off chance yesterday as he was working nearby but her partner was quite rude and said our GS wasn't there and wouldn't have a reasonable conversation about why they have suddenly cut us off.

Hmmm I'd be blooming concerned about this and not because of antivax. What does your son think?

It is very concerning!

It's the kids who are isolated from society and loving aunts, uncles, grandparents etc who I really worry about. Obviously we are going to miss them terribly, but it's more than that- it's going to harm the kids themselves being restricted and controlled so many ways, living with mentally ill parents.

Greenlady102
Unfortunately my son is suffering from extreme anxiety due to the months of him trying to get in contact with her to speak to my GS. She won't answer the phone and has blocked him on everything. We were keepinghim in contact by getting my GS to talk to him when he was with us but she was so cross that my GS had spoken to his dad that my GS said he wouldn't do it anymore. We are thinking of seeing if mediation would help but neither my son or us is that well off at the moment due to covid. I am going to speak to the home education dept and see if they check on home educated children to see what work he is doing but don't know if they'll tell me anything

Has your son gone to the GP? He needs to seek some help for anxiety so he is strong enough to tackle this. It sounds really worrying

That's awful for your son @Janwood, I'm so sorry to hear that.

There must be something your son can do. Maybe if he phoned the CAB they could advise him what his rights are and how to act. Sadly I know Grandparents don't have rights, so it would have to be your son who makes the enquiries I think.

In the UK, I don't think there is a home Ed. department. I think if it was me I'd be talking to social services or better, getting your son to do so. If he is anxious me MUST take action

OnwardandUpward

That's awful for your son @Janwood, I'm so sorry to hear that.

There must be something your son can do. Maybe if he phoned the CAB they could advise him what his rights are and how to act. Sadly I know Grandparents don't have rights, so it would have to be your son who makes the enquiries I think.

as i understand it, ANYBODY can contact social services about a child at risk

greenlady102

Lucca

A relative of mine has a cleaner who said she wasn’t having the jab. My relative said in that case she would not feel able to continue employing her and begged her to go and talk to her GP about her fears, which she did and has now had the jab. I wish people who have read scare stories would go and talk to a qualified person!

I wish they would use the brains and commonsense God gave them!

I don’t think it has anything to do with brains and common sense. I think both can be present or absent on both sides of the argument.

I think we all have a right to make our own decisions, based on our own analysis of the situation and information available. It is not yet compulsory to blindly accept what the government tells us to do with our own bodies and I don’t want to live in a society where it is.

Very true Greenlady. I worked alongside NHS docs too and some of them haven’t much common sense. I asked him what his alternative plan would be and he agreed he didn’t have one ?‍♀️

nightowl

greenlady102

Lucca

A relative of mine has a cleaner who said she wasn’t having the jab. My relative said in that case she would not feel able to continue employing her and begged her to go and talk to her GP about her fears, which she did and has now had the jab. I wish people who have read scare stories would go and talk to a qualified person!

I wish they would use the brains and commonsense God gave them!

I don’t think it has anything to do with brains and common sense. I think both can be present or absent on both sides of the argument.

I think we all have a right to make our own decisions, based on our own analysis of the situation and information available. It is not yet compulsory to blindly accept what the government tells us to do with our own bodies and I don’t want to live in a society where it is.

I do think it has to do with brains and commonsense! I have no special clinical knowledge to do with epidemic or vaccine research, although my background is in health. There is plenty of honest factual published reasearch and information out there, all free to read. yes its a lot more complex than "Bill Gates microchipped my mother" and all the other social media nonsense. It tells you both the pros and cons to vaccination, the numbers and types on side effects, the number of infections in vaccinated people. You need to pull it up and read it but IMO just reading the short version of anything is never a good idea...and if its someone else's short version even less. Yes we all have the right to make our own decisions but lets make them on the facts and not on what the blue lizard brigade churns out. and yes...lets ANALYSE and not take stuff at face value.

I too believe in personal choice. I am a retired Occupational Therapist and my whole career was predicated on personal choice and agency...same as every other OT...but you cannot have choice without consequences.

??? well said greenlady. Now I’ve thought more I think yes, he has the right to choice but his patients don’t. They don’t know he’s not vaccinated. I also think ‘choice’ is fine except when you’re working towards the greater good - which a doc should always be doing. It feels quite selfish of him really. But then I think he is. He only works where the money is rather than where he’s needed. It’s funny how people put docs on pedestals they may not deserve.

My cleaner who is aged 38, refuses to be vaccinated mainly because her 5 year old daughter had a nasty reaction to the MMR jab! If anybody can explain the connection please feel free. I cannot educate the stupid.

greenlady102

OnwardandUpward

That's awful for your son @Janwood, I'm so sorry to hear that.

There must be something your son can do. Maybe if he phoned the CAB they could advise him what his rights are and how to act. Sadly I know Grandparents don't have rights, so it would have to be your son who makes the enquiries I think.

as i understand it, ANYBODY can contact social services about a child at risk

Yes I agree with you Greenlady that anyone can share concerns with Social Services, it was requesting information from the Home Ed department that I meant should probably be done by the child's Father.

greenlady102

the best one was the Bill Gates will microchip us all nonsense.

I think the one about us all being magnetic was better .

True Greenlady, I agree with you that you can't have choice without consequences. I made an informed decision to have the vaccine . No one forced me to have it and no one managed to threaten me out of it either. I am dealing with the consequences of my decision, which are being excluded.

I do think it would be good if people respected other's decisions to have it or not have it. It's not fair to be threatened like I was by a family member and it makes me question if they ever cared.

How many people are there in the world 6-7 billion?

Where is BG making all these chips, surely manufacturing them needs several plants and thousands of people making and distributing them. Are none of them going to let the cat out of the bag, even advertently?

I will stop there. I am amazed that so many people are prepared to advertise how stupid they are.

I think the one about us all being magnetic was better
It's true, though.
My hand git stuck to the fridge along with the other fridge magnets and I was only trying to reach a bar of chocolate.

got

Even I prefer the magnet one to the chip or the zombie killer one.

Seriously, when is the government going to tackle these "underground" false information sites like Telegram who are spreading all these rumours? No one is being benefitted by being excluded from their family because of false information, least of all the kids who are isolated from normality.

Callistemon

^I think the one about us all being magnetic was better^
It's true, though.
My hand git stuck to the fridge along with the other fridge magnets and I was only trying to reach a bar of chocolate.

yes its a close run thing...the thing with the magnet one is its sooooo disprovable but the Bill Gates microchip isn't so its more fun.

btw a mate of mine had one of those magnets you put in your knickers for painful periods....she gave it up when she kept getting stuck to supermarket trollies....true story

OnwardandUpward

True Greenlady, I agree with you that you can't have choice without consequences. I made an informed decision to have the vaccine . No one forced me to have it and no one managed to threaten me out of it either. I am dealing with the consequences of my decision, which are being excluded.

I do think it would be good if people respected other's decisions to have it or not have it. It's not fair to be threatened like I was by a family member and it makes me question if they ever cared.

I will absolutely respect anyone's choice not to be vaccinated even if that choice is based on nonsense that would not convince a bright 5 year old. What I do not support is using the same nonsense to try to convince others (I will refute nonsense but not evangelise) or expecting people to treat folk who have chosen not to be vaccinated (not cannot be for medical reasons) the same as if they had been vaccinated. Choices have consequences and I would not have wanted my frail late mother to receive care from an unvaccinated person. I would absolutely respect them but would not employ them.

M0nica

How many people are there in the world 6-7 billion?

Where is BG making all these chips, surely manufacturing them needs several plants and thousands of people making and distributing them. Are none of them going to let the cat out of the bag, even advertently?

I will stop there. I am amazed that so many people are prepared to advertise how stupid they are.

he's not making them, he is buying them from space aliens