Shamima Begum has appeal rejected

It is interesting because not long after they were married her husband was imprisoned by Isis. She spent 10 months on her own and had a miscarriage. He was released but they were isolated, as some thought he was a spy.

I doubt that the Netherlands would grant her nationality.

Ah sorry. Not much easier in Holland and they didn't accept double nationality until recently.

She says he was abusive. He says he wasn't.

Her husband talks in the podcast, he was in a Syrian prison at the time. He is Dutch.

MerylStreep

She has no ties to Belgium, her husband was Dutch.

Yes, he is from the Netherlands and is in prison in Syria, I believe.

She has no ties to Belgium, her husband was Dutch.

There are several other requirements that you’ll have to meet. These include:

Being at least 18 years of age
Speaking at least one of the three national languages, which you can prove by demonstrating your social integration
Being integrated into society by having either:
earned a degree or certificate
done at least 400 hours of professional training
taken an integration course
worked in Belgium uninterrupted for the past five years
Being economically integrated by having worked as either:
a paid worker or a public servant for at least 468 days during the last five years
a self-employed person who has made social security contributions for at least six quarters of the last five years
Proving that you are unable to work due to a disability or chronic illness or because you have reached pensionable age (65 in 2022)

If you cannot meet these requirements, you can also apply for citizenship after you’ve legally resided in Belgium for the past 10 years. In that case, you will need to demonstrate that:

You have knowledge of at least one of the three national languages
You are integrated into sociocultural or economic life

Citizenship by marriage to a Belgian national

Belgium does not automatically grant citizenship to people who get married to a Belgian citizen. Instead, they can become national by following the above residence procedure. The same conditions apply with one additional requirement: you’ll need to have cohabitated with your partner in Belgium for at least three years.

It is not automatic and can take years. Why should she have done as she never intended to live there?

Does anyone know what happened to SB’s husband ? I believe he was from the Netherlands. Surely SB would have taken on his citizenship as his Muslim wife.

you a bit late!

I've just listened to the BBC podcast I'm Not a Monster Series 2 Shamima Begum. Her life has been a series of disasters. So many dead children, so much disruption. I don't suppose it was what she imagined it would be.
It's well worth a listen

Daisymae

She was 15 when she left this country. Under the age of consent. I feel that she should be rehabilitated and helped to live a useful, productive life. Other countries seem to manage it, so why not the UK?

With the information I have I agree she should come back.

However, I am not party to the information that the Secret Services have so I have to bow to their superior knowledge and experience.

She was 15 when she left this country. Under the age of consent. I feel that she should be rehabilitated and helped to live a useful, productive life. Other countries seem to manage it, so why not the UK?

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

Dr Charlotte Proudman, - a British barrister and Cambridge academic.

“Shamima Begum was a British child when she was groomed and radicalised by fundamentalists; she was trafficked; and she suffered gravely under ISIS. She was a child bride — and she watched her three children die. She is a British citizen and she should be brought to justice here.”

I agree with this.

I agree she should be returned to the U.K. to face trial.

I struggle with groomed & trafficked

She was/is an intelligent Muslim girl, who could not fail to have knowledge of Daesh/ISIS.

She was not drugged or dragged onto the plane, she went willingly.

I agree she should be returned to the U.K. to face trial.

I think so, too.

I also struggle with the groomed and trafficked belief. Maybe 'influenced'? I'm trying to remember my 15 year-old self. All I can remember is that I was a tad gullible when I donned my specially-purchased red scarf and caught the tube to London to take part in a demonstration with my 'comrades' against 'the establishment'... until I saw that quite a few were behaving like a pack of savages and hastily caught another tube back home again...
If I'd had the benefit of the internet back then in the late 50s, I might have understood a little more about my 'cause'. I wasn't groomed, just caught up with the glamour of the 'anti-establishment' brigade. The difference is, I had the freedom to just turn tail and run back home again, once SB arrived at her destination, it was too late. And from then onward, she was trafficked. But not initially. And she did have the benefit of the internet.

I'm in two minds. But - I'm not in possession of all the information and facts that surround this case and this woman.

The public's safety is paramount. There are still, it seems, too many loose cannons who are (prior to another atrocity) "known to the police".

That’s fine by me Quokka, but I wasn’t so rude as to say I couldn’t care less about yours. And my views are real, they don’t have to be inserted in inverted commas.

There will be valid reasons why Shamima's application has been refused. We don't know what they are and nor should we.

Germanshepherdsmum

You are entitled to your views Quokka. I’m glad the court didn’t share them.

By contrast I couldn’t care less about your ‘views’.

*Luckygirl3 Wed 22-Feb-23 16:01:02

Sensible, rational post, Luckygirl

You are entitled to your views Quokka. I’m glad the court didn’t share them.

Had she been one of the girls groomed and assaulted by mainly Asian gangs, no one would have queried that she was a victim.

I don’t see any sign that she is ‘intelligent’ and I cannot understand why this girl-child, who also was groomed/radicalised, should suffer for a decision made as a 15-year old.

Shame on us.

Fleurpepper

The point being, that she is probably much more likely to be further influenced to do harm if her application is refused, and if she is out of sight.

That's a hypothesis and SIAC deals in facts.

Whitewavemark2

Braverman has turned down her appeal.

Might as well end our conversation now really as we won’t agree that’s for sure🙂.

She was appealing against the decision of the then Home Secretary, Sajid Javid.
Braverman was not involved in this decision making.

The appeal was brought on the grounds that his action was unlawful. The appeal was turned down by the Special Immigration Appeals Commission which is independent of government.

Fleurpepper

The point being, that she is probably much more likely to be further influenced to do harm if her application is refused, and if she is out of sight.

Sorry I trust the Judiciary and the Security Services both of which have more information than the general public.

The point being, that she is probably much more likely to be further influenced to do harm if her application is refused, and if she is out of sight.