Shamima Begum has appeal rejected

I suspect that her danger to the UK lies in her contacts and those who might wish to contact and influence her. I do think she was groomed and she was indeed a child at the time, but the bottom line is that the government and the courts have to use the information they have before them now to assess her level of risk to the public.

Looking at this young woman whose life has been so twisted by evil people, the tendency to feel sorry for her and sad for how things have turned out for her is great. But in the end the courts have to be dispassionate and make their decisions based on fact.

The court found that the HS had acted lawfully. She can only appeal on a point of law.

Germanshepherdsmum

The court has turned down her appeal, not the HS.

The appeal was turned down because “the court recognised that it had no power to go against the HO decision”

Germanshepherdsmum

The court has turned down her appeal, not the HS.

This is what I understood.

Best news I’ve heard today. I hope she never comes back.

The court has turned down her appeal, not the HS.

Braverman has turned down her appeal.

Might as well end our conversation now really as we won’t agree that’s for sure🙂.

Whitewavemark2

She is the UKs responsibility. The principle of depriving a British citizen of citizenship is not one I favour quite frankly.

Whilst I agree that she is our responsibility, I have to accept that the powers that be have information which has determined their decision.

Whitewavemark2

No the Home Office made that decision. Our friend Braverman.

Sajid Javid was the HS who took away SB’s citizenship and at the time stated that if you knew what I know you would do the same

We do not know what the Home Office/Judiciary knows.

She is the UKs responsibility. The principle of depriving a British citizen of citizenship is not one I favour quite frankly.

I will trust those who know more about Shamima than we do. They are looking after the British public and must believe she will bring danger to the UK.

No the Home Office made that decision. Our friend Braverman.

their not there

So there must be information we are unaware of that there decision was based upon.

Whitewavemark2

The U.K. courts have accepted that she was groomed and trafficked.

Fair enough.

Yet they still think she is far too dangerous to return to U.K. ?

The U.K. courts have accepted that she was groomed and trafficked.

Whitewavemark2

Dr Charlotte Proudman, - a British barrister and Cambridge academic.

“Shamima Begum was a British child when she was groomed and radicalised by fundamentalists; she was trafficked; and she suffered gravely under ISIS. She was a child bride — and she watched her three children die. She is a British citizen and she should be brought to justice here.”

I agree with this.

I agree she should be returned to the U.K. to face trial.

I struggle with groomed & trafficked

She was/is an intelligent Muslim girl, who could not fail to have knowledge of Daesh/ISIS.

She was not drugged or dragged onto the plane, she went willingly.

I was quite open about it all - since.she was born and raised here . But then I heard her comments about being useful to the UK security services on Jeremy Vine .She kept saying I can be useful to YOU and stuff like YOU haven't been doing a good job up to now ( which really got my back up !). So I thought these are not the sentiments of a person who feels she belongs here .Why does she keep saying 'you'? Surely you would say we referring to your own country the country of your true allegiance ?I felt it was a grammatical slip showing her true loyalties .

Dr Charlotte Proudman, - a British barrister and Cambridge academic.

“Shamima Begum was a British child when she was groomed and radicalised by fundamentalists; she was trafficked; and she suffered gravely under ISIS. She was a child bride — and she watched her three children die. She is a British citizen and she should be brought to justice here.”

I agree with this.

I agree also with Maw.

Wherever SB's family are in the world they have been strangely silent.

Who is providing SB with money?

I too feel sorry for her ........however it is the correct decision. Could she ever be trusted? SB is very damaged.

Good riddance. If she came back, next thing you know her husband would follow her under the right to family life laws.

That power is always subject to judicial review Siope, as has happened here.

Good.

Well said Maw.
I don’t think for one minute this is a decision taken lightly by the government, M15 or other authorities who have insider knowledge.
We as citizens of the UK need to trust their judgements are to keep us safe.
Much as I now feel sorry for her.