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Shamima Begum has appeal rejected

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Siope Wed 22-Feb-23 13:10:52

Germanshepherdsmum

‘People’ do not have the information available to the Home Secretary Siope. Do you not recall his comment ‘If you knew what I know’?

The panel, however, do have that information.

The judgement is interesting, and, given what it highlights about the power that a single individual has to interpret and administer the law, concerning.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 22-Feb-23 12:37:31

Greta Thunberg was 15 when she lectured world leaders on the worlds stage.

SB was 15 when she decided to join Daesh.

She is the U.K.’s problem, she should be in the U.K. face a trial and if found guilty imprisoned.

Smileless2012 Wed 22-Feb-23 12:32:05

Very well said Maw.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 22-Feb-23 12:28:44

‘People’ do not have the information available to the Home Secretary Siope. Do you not recall his comment ‘If you knew what I know’?

MargaretinNorthant Wed 22-Feb-23 12:24:31

My feelings too Maw. She was of an age to know quite well what she was doing.

Siope Wed 22-Feb-23 12:20:18

I agree with the panel, whose judgement is that, whilst it was lawful for the decision to be made by the Hime Secretary, with regard to the decision itself
“Reasonable people will profoundly disagree with the Secretary of State…”

Juliet27 Wed 22-Feb-23 12:17:51

My feelings too Maw

winterwhite Wed 22-Feb-23 12:16:22

I'm not sure what the consequences for her will be, and I didn't see the documentary either, but I agree with Maw that she was not 'trafficked' in the usual sense of the word and arguments for her return to the UK should be based on other considerations.

Joane123 Wed 22-Feb-23 12:15:43

Glad she has lost her appeal. Right decision.

Blondiescot Wed 22-Feb-23 12:15:08

Couldn't agree more, Maw.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 22-Feb-23 12:13:18

Well said Maw.

MawtheMerrier Wed 22-Feb-23 12:07:21

Germanshepherdsmum

There’s already a thread about her with comments on the loss of the appeal.

I could only see the thread about the documentary which I did not see so I’ll add my tuppenceworth here.
I understand Shamima Begum is only one of over 100 cases where appeals have been lodged or heard or rejected.
I believe the government was within the law to deprive her of her citizenship in the first place and to reject her appeal.
Young women/girls of 15 may be below the age of majority but she admits she incited and encouraged the girls who accompanied her, lied to police and far from being “groomed” or “trafficked” ignored opportunities to approach the authorities while in this country.
She makes it clear that she knew very well what she was doing and while she may have been starry eyed about the future she envisaged for herself, she acted of her own volition.
That she now has to live with the consequences sends a clear message to those who have acted likewise or may be tempted to.

Oldernewgranny Wed 22-Feb-23 11:14:58

Oops, I should have added to that thread. Only just seen it, sorry.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 22-Feb-23 11:13:48

There’s already a thread about her with comments on the loss of the appeal.

Smileless2012 Wed 22-Feb-23 11:13:23

I agree with the decision too.

Oldernewgranny Wed 22-Feb-23 11:11:31

What do you think about this decision? I’m in agreement with it and think the decision is the right one but always take on board other people’s’ views.