EHRC suggestion on toilet facilities

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I came back to this thread after being out or busy all day. It has become very boring and repetitive, I think I shall go and read about something more interesting, such as April Fool's Day, or the Grand National.

Elegran

I came back to this thread after being out or busy all day. It has become very boring and repetitive, I think I shall go and read about something more interesting, such as April Fool's Day, or the Grand National.

Darkest Hour is quite interesting.

It seems as if this thread has been brought to a halt with no new opinions expressed by women, perhaps frightened off by some responses. Good day.

Actually it is Good evening or Good night.
I've been watching the VE parade; far more interesting.

No need for any new responses; trans people have lavatories available for men and women, depending upon their sex, not gender. No special arrangements necessary.
As said before, it is the law.

Luminance

It seems as if this thread has been brought to a halt with no new opinions expressed by women, perhaps frightened off by some responses. Good day.

If you are frightened off by the fact that your attempts to derail and present pointless 'what if's have failed spectacularly, feel free to flounce. We are use to it on these threads. Most flouncers come back sooner or later in other guises though.

Sayonara, 'Luminance'.

It seems to me that the thread has reached a natural end ( "this is the way the world ends, not with a bang but a whimper" ) because all that can be said has been said. The legal position is that a man is a man and a woman is a woman. It is up to individual organisations to keep this in mind when providing suitable toilet facilities for their customers/clients, and posters on this social media chat site are not responsible for telling them how best to do so, nor even obliged to discuss the matter at all if they don't want to.

I suggest that you contact any organisation that you are aware is having difficulty deciding what to do, Luminance and give them the direct benefit of your advice.

The OP asks what’s the issue?
The issue as we have seen here, is obviously that there is still no satisfactory way to prevent men from lying, that they have changed sex and breaking the law.

We have heard of reasons why it’s important to keep men out of women’s safe spaces, specifically toilets.

We have read several claims that I know someone who is trans and you’d never know.
Really, the number of people on GN who know the small % of TW and the even smaller number of you’d never know TW is amazing.

But if you know, how can you be certain no one else will, and does that excuse breaking the law?

Suggestions of how to solve things have been raised and explanations of the difficulties of providing them in different settings have been suggested.

The question of why provision for trans should always come from female spaces, rather than from male spaces remains unsolved. Possibly because TW, though male, still think they should be allowed into women’s spaces.
The same reasoning would be used if there were female, male and unisex provision.

They are supported in breaking the law, by some people who may, or may not actually be women, who still can’t admit that only a biological female can be a woman.

Whilst not being uncaring of the needs of those men who feel they are women, the primary care for most women is the safety of women.

The need for the ruling was caused by men, together with their violent supporters, and their behaviour, before and since the ruling has made the need for such a ruling even clearer.

The fact that such behaviour has also caused problems for other trans, obviously matters little to them.

Reasonable suggestions that trans should be the ones to sort their problems out are decried as being unkind or even trans hating.

Whatever toilet provision is made, the problem will remain, as long as some trans and fans continue to believe they are above the law.

You cannot be a transwoman, unless you were born male.
You cannot be a woman, unless you were born female.
NB wandering into the realms of DSD doesn't change that.

Mollygo 👏🏻👏🏻

Mollygo

The OP asks what’s the issue?
The issue as we have seen here, is obviously that there is still no satisfactory way to prevent men from lying, that they have changed sex and breaking the law.

We have heard of reasons why it’s important to keep men out of women’s safe spaces, specifically toilets.

We have read several claims that I know someone who is trans and you’d never know.
Really, the number of people on GN who know the small % of TW and the even smaller number of you’d never know TW is amazing.

But if you know, how can you be certain no one else will, and does that excuse breaking the law?

Suggestions of how to solve things have been raised and explanations of the difficulties of providing them in different settings have been suggested.

The question of why provision for trans should always come from female spaces, rather than from male spaces remains unsolved. Possibly because TW, though male, still think they should be allowed into women’s spaces.
The same reasoning would be used if there were female, male and unisex provision.

They are supported in breaking the law, by some people who may, or may not actually be women, who still can’t admit that only a biological female can be a woman.

Whilst not being uncaring of the needs of those men who feel they are women, the primary care for most women is the safety of women.

The need for the ruling was caused by men, together with their violent supporters, and their behaviour, before and since the ruling has made the need for such a ruling even clearer.

The fact that such behaviour has also caused problems for other trans, obviously matters little to them.

Reasonable suggestions that trans should be the ones to sort their problems out are decried as being unkind or even trans hating.

Whatever toilet provision is made, the problem will remain, as long as some trans and fans continue to believe they are above the law.

You cannot be a transwoman, unless you were born male.
You cannot be a woman, unless you were born female.
NB wandering into the realms of DSD doesn't change that.

Reasonable suggestions that trans should be the ones to sort their problems out are decried as being unkind or even trans hating.

The issue is Mollygo that women have, traditionally, had to 'manage' men's sexual and emotional needs. The onus has been on us to "understand" and accommodate.

We - women - can discuss in theory how the allocation of toilet facilities might work after this ruling, and I'm sure none of us expect TW to run around with full bladders... but, it is not our problem to solve. TW (and TM) now exist in their own right, and they must sort this out themselves.

Luminance*
It seems as if this thread has been brought to a halt with no new opinions expressed by women, perhaps frightened off by some responses.

By which responses would we be frightened off?
The ruling shows that women haven’t been frightened off by trans/TW lies and violence so they’re unlikely to be frightened off by your posts on here.

As eazybee said
Yesterday @ 22:27

*No need for any new responses; trans people have lavatories available for men and women, depending upon their sex, not gender. No special arrangements necessary.
As said before, it is the law.*

As Doodledogadded

Yesterday @ 22:36

Luminance
If you are frightened off by the fact that your attempts to derail and present pointless 'what if's have failed spectacularly, feel free to flounce. We are use to it on these threads. Most flouncers come back sooner or later in other guises though.

So if you have no new opinions, or you are perhaps frightened off by some responses on here . . .

Sayonara, 'Luminance'.