EllanVannin and Anniebach

Iam64

GSM was a real asset to gransnet. Intelligent, strong views, very kind and always willing to share good legal advice. IMO there was a concerted effort to get her banned - why? Surely we ought to be able to disagree strongly at times without being deliberately nasty under the invisibility cloak

I second that re GSM.

Oh that’s good to hear petra please pass on my regards.

petra

FGT
I spoke to MissAdventure a couple of weeks ago. She can still crack a joke despite being unwell.

She is also missed on here. Like others have said, when it comes to certain posters, we may not always agree on every subject, but surely as adults we can agree to disagree without resorting to insults or abuse.

Another poster who disappeared was grannyactivist.
Does anyone know why?

Some posters leave for a while and rejoin under different names I know of 3 who have done that . I know one was because she was being bullied by a poster who was banned but worked her way back on and banned again .

I got suspended for a week couple of years ago my crime I fought back against a poster who was hurting someone else ..But GNHQ sided with her but she got banned in the end .

GrannyActivist still posts occasionally, I think.

I still think of printmiss on the first of the month but can't for the life of me remember what she said.

Of course we are missing the lovely phoenix but I still have the curse - written for our Idiot.

And, jingle was just jingle.

Printmiss was even older than me so I think we can expect that posters will disappear.
Jingle died I remember after an operation, THR I think.
People do remember her with affection but she was very caustic and could be nasty ,she once told me to FO when I defended another poster from her nastiness.
I still miss Frank with his London Pension.

Dickens

Iam64

GSM was a real asset to gransnet. Intelligent, strong views, very kind and always willing to share good legal advice. IMO there was a concerted effort to get her banned - why? Surely we ought to be able to disagree strongly at times without being deliberately nasty under the invisibility cloak

I second that re GSM.

Well said, Iam64

Some posters disliked her views (I didn't agree with them all) but she never made personal attacks.

There most definitely was a sudden influx of "new" posters who appeared (or posters using several names?) who conspired to get her banned. It was all very odd.

petra

FGT
I spoke to MissAdventure a couple of weeks ago. She can still crack a joke despite being unwell.

Say hello to MissAdventure from me too 👋
We miss her.

Then there is the Scottish poster who had two or three name changes, who, as far as I know, hasn’t posted for quite a while now.
She was another one with very strong views, but there again, there’s nothing wrong with that.
I believe she had a background in the sciences.

FGT- please pass our good wishes on to GSM - I really miss her knowledge and sound advice.

JenniferEccles

Then there is the Scottish poster who had two or three name changes, who, as far as I know, hasn’t posted for quite a while now.
She was another one with very strong views, but there again, there’s nothing wrong with that.
I believe she had a background in the sciences.

Yes, I think I know who you mean. Personally, I enjoyed her posts, but many people didn't. I think she stopped posting as she was taking on time-consuming projects so no longer had time to contribute to GN?

GSM and FGT were often the victims of pile-ons and near-bullying on GN. by the rampart lefties.
You rarely see it the other way round, or am I missing something.

Allira

petra

FGT
I spoke to MissAdventure a couple of weeks ago. She can still crack a joke despite being unwell.

Say hello to MissAdventure from me too 👋
We miss her.

And me. It would be lovely to hear from her again, but if she's not up to it yet, do let her know we are asking after her and wish her well.

MissA wasn't banned, in case anyone is unaware. I do think it's important to make that distinction, as even though I am not always in favour of permanent bans they are made for a reason and should never be about popularity or how much advice posters can benefit from.

One person somehow managed to get a well-deserved ban overturned and came back with what felt like protected status. She is now banned again, but not before causing numerous lovely posters to leave GN and making mischief and grief for many others. It's not always straightforward. I'd be surprised if people posting when the 'unbanned' one was around won't have realised what she was up to, but sometimes if someone leaves you alone you only see one side of them. If you are on the receiving end of the reason they were banned you might feel differently.

Speaking generally, if someone has been banned because of nasty behaviour to individuals, it is unreasonable of the unaffected (who may be entirely unaware of that) to campaign for their return.

It might also be useful to know why someone was banned, although I know that is difficult to do that when the banned person has no right of reply. We know that reports can play a role, but we don't know who has reported individuals. I am aware that at least one poster thinks that I reported them, leading to a suspension, but I most definitely did not - I prefer to argue my case on the boards. We also know that lurkers sometimes report. I was astounded a while ago when someone made her first post to say that she didn't contribute to the board, but did report contributors who overstepped what she saw as the mark. Unbelievable, but true.

Boz

GSM and FGT were often the victims of pile-ons and near-bullying on GN. by the rampart lefties.
You rarely see it the other way round, or am I missing something.

You rarely see it the other way round, or am I missing something.

Strangely enough, GSM seems to be both missed and defended by some of those one could fairly place Left of the political spectrum - including me.

So, could be you are missing something!

I was in touch with her off-grid before my late OH became seriously ill.

Boz

GSM and FGT were often the victims of pile-ons and near-bullying on GN. by the rampart lefties.
You rarely see it the other way round, or am I missing something.

Yes, I believe you are missing something Boz. The people who have been banned aren’t from one ‘side’ of the political spectrum, what they have in common is that they are outspoken. It’s when Gransnet gets into personal insult territory, that people are banned, generally speaking. Calling people rampant lefties, or communists, far right, or fascists, or whatever, is really very unhelpful in maintaining harmony. I wish everybody would be upfront and say so when they are reporting somebody else.

Volver is the person mentioned above I think, I miss her, but I think she was banned, as was growstuff.

Doodledog

We also know that lurkers sometimes report. I was astounded a while ago when someone made her first post to say that she didn't contribute to the board, but did report contributors who overstepped what she saw as the mark. Unbelievable, but true.

Oh heck - really?! 'Sleeping policemen' - lurking cyber speed-bumps then?

What a strange pass time...

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It’s when Gransnet gets into personal insult territory, that people are banned, generally speaking
I can't remember GSM making personal attacks on posters.

As for personal insults I was called an extreme right-winger, peddling my vile views across social media! (Sorry, Sir Keir, does voting for you make me an extreme right-winger? 😂😂😂). Or a rampant leftie?
I did report that post and it got deleted.

It was upsetting then saw the ludicrous, funny side of it. 😂

TheatreLover

Doodledog

Allira

petra

FGT
I spoke to MissAdventure a couple of weeks ago. She can still crack a joke despite being unwell.

Say hello to MissAdventure from me too 👋
We miss her.

And me. It would be lovely to hear from her again, but if she's not up to it yet, do let her know we are asking after her and wish her well.

MissA wasn't banned, in case anyone is unaware. I do think it's important to make that distinction, as even though I am not always in favour of permanent bans they are made for a reason and should never be about popularity or how much advice posters can benefit from.

One person somehow managed to get a well-deserved ban overturned and came back with what felt like protected status. She is now banned again, but not before causing numerous lovely posters to leave GN and making mischief and grief for many others. It's not always straightforward. I'd be surprised if people posting when the 'unbanned' one was around won't have realised what she was up to, but sometimes if someone leaves you alone you only see one side of them. If you are on the receiving end of the reason they were banned you might feel differently.

Speaking generally, if someone has been banned because of nasty behaviour to individuals, it is unreasonable of the unaffected (who may be entirely unaware of that) to campaign for their return.

It might also be useful to know why someone was banned, although I know that is difficult to do that when the banned person has no right of reply. We know that reports can play a role, but we don't know who has reported individuals. I am aware that at least one poster thinks that I reported them, leading to a suspension, but I most definitely did not - I prefer to argue my case on the boards. We also know that lurkers sometimes report. I was astounded a while ago when someone made her first post to say that she didn't contribute to the board, but did report contributors who overstepped what she saw as the mark. Unbelievable, but true.

This is a really thoughtful post Doodledog. I thought that GSM was banned because she was posting potentially libellous comments about a female politician? These posts included attacking the politician's morals because she had children when not married, and included various abusive descriptions of the politician, including calling her a tart? I didn't contribute to the thread, and have never reported anyone, but GSM quite understandably upset quite a lot of posters with her insulting language about the politician, so it is quite possible that posters drew the moderators' attention to these particular posts.

In any case, I think that these comments were picked up by the National press, and reflected poorly on GN. If that is correct, then, in the interests of GN, the ban is understandable.

The posts could have been deleted and probably were.

I remember similar posts about a male politician's appearance, his hair and his morals but posters weren't banned because of that.
Those posts could have been reported in the national press too.

Are there double standards here?

Allira

TheatreLover

Doodledog

Allira

petra

FGT
I spoke to MissAdventure a couple of weeks ago. She can still crack a joke despite being unwell.

Say hello to MissAdventure from me too 👋
We miss her.

And me. It would be lovely to hear from her again, but if she's not up to it yet, do let her know we are asking after her and wish her well.

MissA wasn't banned, in case anyone is unaware. I do think it's important to make that distinction, as even though I am not always in favour of permanent bans they are made for a reason and should never be about popularity or how much advice posters can benefit from.

One person somehow managed to get a well-deserved ban overturned and came back with what felt like protected status. She is now banned again, but not before causing numerous lovely posters to leave GN and making mischief and grief for many others. It's not always straightforward. I'd be surprised if people posting when the 'unbanned' one was around won't have realised what she was up to, but sometimes if someone leaves you alone you only see one side of them. If you are on the receiving end of the reason they were banned you might feel differently.

Speaking generally, if someone has been banned because of nasty behaviour to individuals, it is unreasonable of the unaffected (who may be entirely unaware of that) to campaign for their return.

It might also be useful to know why someone was banned, although I know that is difficult to do that when the banned person has no right of reply. We know that reports can play a role, but we don't know who has reported individuals. I am aware that at least one poster thinks that I reported them, leading to a suspension, but I most definitely did not - I prefer to argue my case on the boards. We also know that lurkers sometimes report. I was astounded a while ago when someone made her first post to say that she didn't contribute to the board, but did report contributors who overstepped what she saw as the mark. Unbelievable, but true.

This is a really thoughtful post Doodledog. I thought that GSM was banned because she was posting potentially libellous comments about a female politician? These posts included attacking the politician's morals because she had children when not married, and included various abusive descriptions of the politician, including calling her a tart? I didn't contribute to the thread, and have never reported anyone, but GSM quite understandably upset quite a lot of posters with her insulting language about the politician, so it is quite possible that posters drew the moderators' attention to these particular posts.

In any case, I think that these comments were picked up by the National press, and reflected poorly on GN. If that is correct, then, in the interests of GN, the ban is understandable.

The posts could have been deleted and probably were.

I remember similar posts about a male politician's appearance, his hair and his morals but posters weren't banned because of that.
Those posts could have been reported in the national press too.

Are there double standards here?

I will add to that the comments made when that politician ended up in ICU with Covid - inferring that he and the wonderful St Thomas's Hospital, were lying.

I am not defending that politician's record, but just pointing out the double standards which seem to apply here.
Is it because of the Party each belong to or the fact that one is a woman, the other a man?

Def double standards by the sounds of it Allira
Tho I only know two of the names of posters mentioned on here I think it’s unpleasant to say anything about them as they’re unable to reply and may well be reading this.
If it’s something nice about them then that’s a different matter.
IMO

I don’t think it’s double standards Allira, I think the mods have a line beyond which people get banned if they transgress the rules, and it’s usually because they have done it more than once, had their posts deleted etc. If there were double standards, only posters from one persuasion would be banned, and that definitely isn’t the case?

Casdon

I don’t think it’s double standards Allira, I think the mods have a line beyond which people get banned if they transgress the rules, and it’s usually because they have done it more than once, had their posts deleted etc. If there were double standards, only posters from one persuasion would be banned, and that definitely isn’t the case?

How come Mumsnetters get away with far worse than we genteel elderly people on Gransnet?

Same moderators now, I think

Oreo

Def double standards by the sounds of it Allira
Tho I only know two of the names of posters mentioned on here I think it’s unpleasant to say anything about them as they’re unable to reply and may well be reading this.
If it’s something nice about them then that’s a different matter.
IMO

Well said, Oreo.

Some of the posters mentioned have died, too and it's not fair to criticise them when they have no right of reply.