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Where do children learn ethics and morality these days?

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Aveline Thu 15-Oct-26 13:22:18

That's it really. Now that church attendance seems a thing of the past and the world seems full of bad people doing bad things and, seemingly, being rewarded for it or at least getting away with it ( I'm looking at you Trump and Putin) how can children learn?
Ideally from their parents, potentially from hard pressed teachers, but how else?

fancythat Sat 17-Oct-26 09:24:57

Not some of the leaders nationally, no.
Which are the people you read about in the news.

Grassroots people who teach in churches year in year out, a lot of very good work going on.
Look out for those who stick to the Bible, and also lead their lives accordingly.

Oldnproud Sat 17-Oct-26 09:45:37

David49

Maremia

I think home and school. For teens, their friend groups are very important.

Choosing the wrong friends can ruin your life, my sister did, she hung around with the bad boys at school, married one, divorced him, then married a worse one.

Had exactly the same upbringing as myself but chose the wrong friends.

You are right about choosing the wrong friends, David.

I know of a girl who from junior school age (C of E primary) onwards always picked the 'wrong' friends (she is the daughter of one of my mum's friends, so my knowledge of this comes via my mum).
She was always in trouble at school, and the influence of her friends was always blamed both by her parents and her teachers for her bad behaviour.

Steps were taken to separate her from them, but having new friends never helped.
A head teacher summed it up at a later stage by pointing out that the girl was quite obviously drawn to children with a certain type of behaviour, and distancing her from one group after another would almost certainly not change that - she would always find her 'tribe', as they say nowadays.
The teacher proved right.

The parents were a very typical, average, traditional couple. Their other children (I was at school with one) were nice and well behaved. They did all they could, but she was who she was!

Caleo Sat 17-Oct-26 09:58:58

Children learn morality from significant others.

Church going is no longer as significant as formerly in peoples' lives , parents must think for themselves and limit their childrens media activity to what is morally good--- or at least not morally harmful.

Parenting should be in all school curriculums.

mabon2 Sat 17-Oct-26 12:23:02

It is the part of parenting to teach morals, ethics, respect and manners.

nanna8 Sat 17-Oct-26 12:44:24

On the few occasions when I use public transport I have found young people often offer their seat to me. Perhaps this area has more polite kids, I don’t know. The trains have inspectors who haul off anyone misbehaving but I haven’t ever seen anyone ,not once. I think it must happen late at night because it is all pretty tame during the day. No one much uses buses,though, just trains and trams. We don’t have to lock our doors,either, though I do lock the car because there is a fair bit of car theft. Hope it stays this way. When we lived in Tasmania no one locked anything, lovely and safe there, better than here.

Cabbie21 Sat 17-Oct-26 13:26:03

What worries me is seeing parents allowing or even encouraging their children to think they are the centre of the universe and that only their own feelings matter.

Some parents never say No to their children. They just ‘ want them to be happy’. Never mind if children making a racket or running around in a restaurant is upsetting anyone else, for example. How is that kind of upbringing going to give the children any sense of consideration for others?

yogitree Sat 17-Oct-26 13:28:13

keepcalmandcavachon

I've a feeling ethics and morality, kindness and consideration are actually more 'built in' than learned.
I'd instead question where children are learning negative traits, selfishness and cruelty from.
Also, I think if its not innate then those who suffered appallingly cruel upbringings wouldn't be able to 'come back to themselves' and be good, kind and thoughtful people, of which there are many.

I absolutely agree with these qualities being 'built in'. Good point too about investigating the negative traits' origins.

Aveline Mon 19-Oct-26 13:58:40

Just wondering where Mr and Mrs Trump, Mr and Mrs Putin and Mr and Mrs Netanyahu went wrong! They certainly didn't pass on moral compasses to their boys

M0nica Mon 19-Oct-26 14:21:22

Aveline

Just wondering where Mr and Mrs Trump, Mr and Mrs Putin and Mr and Mrs Netanyahu went wrong! They certainly didn't pass on moral compasses to their boys

But each person is free to reject the morals and principles they are bought up with - and many do.

Seapebble Mon 19-Oct-26 14:33:27

Older people have been protesting "declining standards" and young people's rudeness and lack of morals for over 2,000 years. Not a typo. Goes back to Aristotle and probably way further. We still have writing from Greek and Roman times. Later, people like GK Chesterton going on about the stupidity of young people etc. They're an easy target because they can seem a bit selfish. What about elderly people? We go to a very typically middle class, middle age series of classical concerts. Well brought up in the war and post war? Doesn't seem like it the way they trample everything and everyone in their way to get to the ice cream stand heheh. At the GP in a queue for my flu jab - all over 60s. A very elderly disabled lady standing in line, with walking stick. I asked her if she would like a seat and then - no seats - just walked her to the front with older people tutting at me on the way back to my place. I'm not a saint but I did see my mum doing this sort of thing all the time. Tbh I found it a bit embarrassing as a young teenager.

Aveline Mon 19-Oct-26 14:36:58

We're not actually committed murder of genocide though

David49 Tue 20-Oct-26 09:10:55

Morals and standards are declining because liberal society allows it, discipline cannot be maintained without rules, if breaking rules is condoned standards crumble.

Aveline Tue 20-Oct-26 09:14:36

It's painful to see.

Nanny27 Thu 22-Oct-26 14:43:16

David49

Morals and standards are declining because liberal society allows it, discipline cannot be maintained without rules, if breaking rules is condoned standards crumble.

Just today we have a news report of killers having a choice of whether or not they fancy attending court for sentencing. Unbelievable! If they choose not to go they can be given an extension to their sentence. Considering most will have a life sentence anyway it all seems a bit pointless.
Drag them there I say. The victims families have a right to see them go down.

Iam64 Thu 22-Oct-26 15:07:29

It isn’t about giving offenders a choice, it’s about punishments if they refuse to appear

How can dragging someone improve morals or standards? Who will do the dragging and what impact on them. They might be injured physically or emotionally

MayBee70 Thu 22-Oct-26 15:26:29

I believe that the government have set up an initiative to speak to make pupils about misogyny etc. I don’t know if this has begun yet.