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How can I help my g/d with her grief after her dad died suddenly?

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Rowantree Tue 03-Feb-26 18:34:59

I feel utterly helpless.
My DD and her partner split amicably last spring. He rented a flat nearby and they were co parenting their 11 year old daughter who, though initially being devastated by her parents ' breakup, seemed happy having two homes and cooperating parents. We all had a week away as usual with our other daughter and her child. Just after we got back, DDs ex was assaulted by a stranger. A few days later he was arrested and questioned. By the next morning, after his release without charge, he was found dead in his flat, by his own hand.. Since then DGD, now aged 12, has increasingly struggled to cope and yes has been having therapy for a while. Therapist now feels she needs to see a psychiatrist. DGD masks a lot but has been refusing school, says she has no pleasure in anything, can't mask any more and is ( understandably ) pale and angry. DD herself is struggling, emotionally and financially, and has significant health problems. We live an hour away from them but we meet as often as we can. I don't know whether anyone else has experienced a situation like this. We're all extremely worried and feel helpless and I'd welcome helpful comments. I should add that DD is advice averse and we're often in walking on eggshells.

Septimia Tue 03-Feb-26 19:42:22

I once told someone, who had lost a close relative in vaguely similar circumstances to your GD, that if you love someone and they love you, that love never goes away. I was fortunate to have loving parents and remembering that love still makes me feel warm and secure although they died many years ago. The love that your GD's father had for her has not gone away even though he has.

I don't know if that thought will be any help.

M0nica Tue 03-Feb-26 19:53:19

There is a charity called 'Winston's Wish' winstonswish.org/
It is a charity set up to help bereaved children.

If you do ot already know of them they may be worth speaking to for advice and because they run camps and activities for bereaved children so that they can know they are not alone.

teabagwoman Tue 03-Feb-26 20:17:15

I have a little experience of helping bereaved parents and children. It can take a long time and be a struggle to recover some equilibrium. My advice to you would be not to give advice. Difficult I know. Just be there, ready to listen, ready to talk about the happy times if they want to and ready to offer distraction if that’s what they want. It isn’t easy but just knowing that they have your love and support will go a long way.

If you’re not already in touch with them the Child Bereavement Network is a good source of help and information.

TwiceAsNice Tue 03-Feb-26 23:56:32

There is a particular charity called SOBS which is just for bereavement by suicide. Cruse Bereavement Care has a special section on its website for children and adolescents called HELP where they can talk online to other young people , it’s a national charity completely regulated and safe they will not be talking to groomers. Cruse also has really good books and pamphlets to help or children can see a counsellor one to one.

How you can help is let her talk , perhaps help her make a memory box , have her own photos etc . Winston’s Wish is very good but is based in Gloucester/Worcester so difficult to access if you don’t live nearby. Cruse is nationwide, I counselled and trained for them for 14 years and can recommend

Chardy Wed 04-Feb-26 08:21:39

I don't know if this website will help you
www.childbereavementuk.org/
Good luck and keep listening and talking

keepingquiet Wed 04-Feb-26 08:53:29

In my teaching years I came across a few students who were labelled as 'difficult' and it didn't take long for me to discover they had lost a parent to suicide, some of them had even found that parent dead.
This was in the days when kids were just expected to 'behave' and very little allowance was made for these young peope who clearly needed help.
It used to bother me a lot.
I am heartened to read that now there are organisations that can provide help.
What yout GC is going through is really out of your control. As others have said, don't bother with the advice, it has no place here. You really have to accept that there is no magic wand for them- they have to experience and live through the pain to come out the other side and they can only do this themselves, harsh though that may sound.
Your job is to support your DD and let her support her child. Listen, help them in practical ways if possible- accept that there may be a storn whirling around them but try to be the calm at the centre. This is what they need from you.

Summerlove Wed 04-Feb-26 13:44:47

My mother died when I was about your gds age, though under difference circumstances.

The people who helped me most were people who met me on my level. They didn’t ask how I was doing all of the time and they just let me be. I knew they were there if I wanted to talk, but I wasn’t forced into conversations.

The worst were those who either expected grief, wanted to see me grieve or (in my mind) wanted me to validate their performative grief.

Be there for her. Tell her you love her, try to act as normal as possible. Take cues from her.

sparkle1234 Wed 04-Feb-26 14:05:42

I could not offer you any better advice than that of the last two posts . I am so very sorry for this dreadful loss your family is going through , further compounded by the fact suicide was involved . Grief is all consuming and there is no way through it but to go day by day , month by month , year by year and time will eventually soften the pain .
You just need to shower your daughter and granddaughter with love and no expectations . Sending your family my Kindest thoughts .

Rasamara Wed 04-Feb-26 14:19:53

When someone says ‘how can I help this child with these awful feelings’ they often subconsciously mean ‘I can feel these awful feelings this child is having and they are so awful I don’t want to feel them, and I want them to stop.’

The idea of childhood parental bereavement is so painful that few of us want to ever feel it even second hand. But what parentally bereaved children need so badly is for the adults around them to sit with their pain, and feel it with them, and just ‘be’ with them in their pain. And show them — ‘this is so painful for you, isn’t it’ without jumping to ‘it will get better with time’ which doesn’t help them. Or avoiding the feelings by saying ‘it will get better with time!’

This is what psychotherapists do (I’m a Child & Adolescent Psychotherapist). We are trained to sit with the pain and loss and feel it with the child, particularly when the adults in their lives are themselves struggling and unable to do this, which is so often the case in parental bereavement and even when the parents are divorced.

I disagree that your DGD needs to see a psychiatrist. I am stating this purely on what you have written and there may be medical reasons I’m unaware of that justify the referral. Psychiatrists are not trained to help people with their emotions through feeling them and being aware of these feelings, they are trained to help people with their emotions by various means, including considering medical options for certain conditions that benefit from medicine.

Bereavement is not a condition that requires medication. It requires someone to help the child with their emotions and help them know that the emotions they are experiencing are neither unusual for a bereaved child, nor unbearable for the adult. To help the child know that emotions resulting from any death, but especially by suicide, include anger (how dare they leave me?), self recrimination and blame (what did I do to make this happen? This is my fault), helplessness (what will I do without my dad?), guilt (I just laughed because I forgot about my dad, I mustn't feel happy or laugh or anything) and so on. All of which emotions are more readily available than the one underneath — sadness — which is so painful to feel that it’s impossible to do so for years and yet is the only one the adults around the child seem to talk about.

OP, you mention feeling helpless. I wonder if you also feel / felt any of the above? Anger? How dare he do this to his daughter! Or even the less rational what did I do? Anything else? I ask because what your DGD needs is for people like you, and anyone else able to do same, to start conversations with her that aren’t conversations at all (i.e. that don’t expect any response from her but sound like a ‘conversation’ to her) along the lines of ‘this is such a rubbish time for you. I can imagine there are so many emotions in your head you don’t even know how to speak about them. I’m thinking it’s such a confusion in your head.’ That’s probably enough for a first go, so then break the intensity with something gentler but still not a question ‘So I was wondering perhaps if a bowl of icecream for breakfast might help your head?’ Or something else silly & distracting yet comforting.

A little tiny connection like this that requires nothing from your DGD gives her a new possibility: might you be someone who sees how she really feels? She is likely to wait to see if you do it again, probably several times.

You then follow this up the next time you’re in contact (by any means — in person, on line, by phone, text, anything) and add a little bit more: ‘that confusion that’s going on in your head, it’s probably going to be there for a while I guess. I think it’s going to make things a bit hard for you because there’s not much space in your head for anything else.’ Then again, another gentler link eg. ‘Your head is going to be a bit like when your phone gets full up and doesn’t run well! Now, how do we go about getting an upgrade for your brain I wonder!!’ Again, the latter part must be clearly gently silly. Help her laugh, and then perhaps if you see she looks shocked for laughing mention ‘sometimes when someone we love dies, we think we can’t be happy or have silly moments. But I’m going to let you into a secret (dramatic whisper, again for silliness): guess what, we can do both at the same time! Humans are so clever, we can laugh at the same time as feeling the loss!”

My exact words are not relevant and only examples. But the most important thing you can do is to name the emotional distress she is experiencing using ‘I’m thinking it might be’ or ‘I’m wondering if it might…’ to give her space to say it’s not like that. And to do so without stating ‘it will get better’ because right now she can’t see the future, only the present without her dad.

The other thing you can do is find out more about the therapist she saw that is suggesting a psychiatrist. I don’t know if you can do this, of course, but if you can then you might be able to find out why this suggestion was made. There may be a medical reason you’ve not mentioned. But my concerns are that the therapist is not able to manage the distress of a parentally bereaved child and hiding this difficulty behind a referral to the medical world. Childhood parental bereavement is specialist work and the organisations already mentioned would be good places to start looking for a different form of therapy if you are able to pay for it.

But if you become the person that is able to name the emotions your DGD is experiencing, and if you can sit with her and feel how awful it is without trying to avoid feeling the feelings, then DGD will get through this in a way many children don’t.

I do hope this helps reverse the helplessness.

Rasamara Wed 04-Feb-26 14:20:31

Bit of a long message, I realise… sometimes it’s hard to keep things concise

SaxonGrace Wed 04-Feb-26 14:56:38

I’ve a step granddaughter slightly older who has been dealing with a very similar situation for the last two years, she has had therapy for the first six months, then no help after, we have only been able to support her as best we can, whilst emphasising that her Dad loved her very much but his demons were just too much for him to bear, I always listen to her when she wants to talk about him and let her know how much we all love her, slowly but surely after missing a lot of school she is coming to terms with her new life, I as a widow for 30+ years have always said to her that you don’t get over a death, but you learn how to love yourself on your bad days and we all still have bad days.

spabbygirl Wed 04-Feb-26 15:20:55

I'm a social worker and my 4 grandchildren got home from school almost 2 yrs ago to find their mum dead on the loo having taken an overdose. I would accept the suggestion of referral to a psychiatrist, it'll probably be CAMHS - child and adolescent mental health service. They are underfunded but do some excellent work, it could be that the current therapist suspects some underlying condition and that needs ruling out. Also the organisations above offer great help.
Its an awful thing to go through, but having a loving family will help

AuntieE Wed 04-Feb-26 16:51:05

Are there no groups in your area for children who have lost a parent?

Have you and other adults thought of the fact that just as a child can feel her parents' divorce in some way is "her fault", so relatives whether children or adult can feel the same about a death by suicide?

Perhaps your daughter needs to have it made clear to her that her father's decision to end his life is not her fault, just as it is not her mother's or yours.

He made and carried otu the decision, whether in a fit of panic, or coolly (in his right mind, or temporally unbalanced, but better not use those words to her).

Also make sure she knows her father loved her, even although she may quite reasonably feel he cannot have done so, when he took a step that has caused her so much pain and distress.

Perhaps too, tell her that you are all allowed to be angry with him for the decision he took and that you all are hurt by it and miss him.

I should have started by saying how sorry I am for your loss to you all.

knspol Wed 04-Feb-26 17:22:23

Rasamara

Bit of a long message, I realise… sometimes it’s hard to keep things concise

I usually ignore long posts but thought this was full of common sense with lots of useful advice. I also thought I could personally relate to some of the points raised which I felt after my DH passed away.
I'm sure this will help Rowantree and her family and maybe many others.

butterandjam Wed 04-Feb-26 17:27:58

Septimia

I once told someone, who had lost a close relative in vaguely similar circumstances to your GD, that if you love someone and they love you, that love never goes away. I was fortunate to have loving parents and remembering that love still makes me feel warm and secure although they died many years ago. The love that your GD's father had for her has not gone away even though he has.

I don't know if that thought will be any help.

Love? She does not feel warm and secure.

Listen to Rasamara.

GD is 12. All she knows is, Dad did not love her and Mummy enough to stay together. He left.
After the split he no doubt promised to "always love her; always be her dad, that will never change " But he's now broken that promise; it feels to her that he didn't love her enough to stay alive and be her dad. He left her again , for ever.

She feels rejected, unwanted , deserted and abandoned, lost in an adult world she doesn't understand. The very opposite of loved, warm, secure.

She's devastated, scared angry confused and broken hearted, it feels like the end of the world , she's out of her depth and can't control her emotions .She's given notice,

she " CAN'T mask any more". Nor should she.

BlueBelle Wed 04-Feb-26 17:31:37

Winstons wish was very helpful to my daughter when my two grandchildren lost their daddy at the age of 48 They were 6 and 4 and missed their daddy so much They are now 24 and 22 and very well adjusted young people in good jobs and with very good degrees

win Wed 04-Feb-26 22:03:35

M0nica

There is a charity called 'Winston's Wish' winstonswish.org/
It is a charity set up to help bereaved children.

If you do ot already know of them they may be worth speaking to for advice and because they run camps and activities for bereaved children so that they can know they are not alone.

Also Baloon they are fabulous my friend volunteers on a one to one basis with the children, they support them for years sometimes or as long as they need. They are highly trained to deal with these circumstances. I had the same issue in my own family, but the children were older, all you can do is be there listen to her and make sure she knows she is loved. Her father did not leave her because he did not love her, he did not love his life at that very time, she was never the reason. I emphasise so much with how helpless you feel, and am so sorry for your situation.

win Wed 04-Feb-26 22:13:03

keepingquiet

In my teaching years I came across a few students who were labelled as 'difficult' and it didn't take long for me to discover they had lost a parent to suicide, some of them had even found that parent dead.
This was in the days when kids were just expected to 'behave' and very little allowance was made for these young peope who clearly needed help.
It used to bother me a lot.
I am heartened to read that now there are organisations that can provide help.
What yout GC is going through is really out of your control. As others have said, don't bother with the advice, it has no place here. You really have to accept that there is no magic wand for them- they have to experience and live through the pain to come out the other side and they can only do this themselves, harsh though that may sound.
Your job is to support your DD and let her support her child. Listen, help them in practical ways if possible- accept that there may be a storn whirling around them but try to be the calm at the centre. This is what they need from you.

Brilliant advice thank you so much that was a lesson for everyone, we may all have to use one day. I could have used that many years ago. Thank you.

Qwerty Wed 04-Feb-26 22:14:21

What an awful situation for all of you. We are in a similar, though different situation, with a DGC. Mental health issues mean they are difficult to "reach" emotionally.
Like you Summerlove I as a grandparent try just to "be there" and respond as seems appropriately at the time, instinctively. Their father says I have a good relationship with the DCG, whereas he says he and the mother, our DD, have "failed as parents"! Hardly a firm foundation for reassuring a confused teenager. Ike OP talking to our DD is like walking on eggshells!
Hopefully CAMHs will help soon.

keepingquiet Thu 05-Feb-26 08:49:45

That last sentence is an oxymoron- CAMHS may help a little, but soon??? Have you seen the length of their waiting lists?

Rowantree Thu 05-Feb-26 08:50:43

Just checking in on the way to the inquest day 1. I've not had time yet to process many of the replies so will re read later but I am so, so grateful for your thoughtful and sensible advice and suggestions which I will follow up. Much to think about but we have to get through the next few days in court first.

janipans Thu 05-Feb-26 10:23:57

The inquest will be horrible, but you just have to get through it and in some ways that is one page of the rest of your lives turned.
My brother committed suicide and was found by his 10 year old daughter.
If it is of any consolation to you she has grown up to be a normal happy young woman who now has a family of her own.
If your GD can be persuaded to return to school it might bring some normality back into her life.
Thinking of you today. Xx

Menopauselbitch Thu 05-Feb-26 11:13:56

I don’t know if this is the right advice but when my best friend died I had her children ( my god children) an awful lot, now they are older they said I was the only one that acted normal and chatted about their mother and the funny things we all did. They tell me this helped them.

campbellwise Thu 05-Feb-26 19:06:25

What a wonderful kind reply; it has helped me too. So thank you.