Remembrance Sunday

RosiesMaw2

Something to think about

At The Cenotaph
I saw the Prince of Darkness, with his Staff,
Standing bare-headed by the Cenotaph:
Unostentatious and respectful, there
He stood, and offered up the following prayer.
'Make them forget, O Lord, what this Memorial
Means; their discredited ideas revive;
Breed new belief that War is purgatorial
Proof of the pride and power of being alive;
Men's biologic urge to readjust
The Map of Europe, Lord of Hosts, increase;
Lift up their hearts in large destructive lust;
And crown their heads with blind vindictive Peace.'
The Prince of Darkness to the Cenotaph
Bowed. As he walked away I heard him laugh.

Siegfried Sassoon

Thank you for posting this.

If we hadn’t got long lenses on cameras none of this would have been noticed.

Those there would certainly have noticed.

midgey

If we hadn’t got long lenses on cameras none of this would have been noticed.

So?

I completely agree with you. I am British, Scottish and served in the WRAF. My Dad, husbands (first and second), brother and son all served in the Forces and my Dad’s brother, my Uncle David, whom I never knew, lost his life at just seventeen when his ship HMS Wild Swan was dive bombed in 1942. I always feel very moved by the Albert Hall Remembrance Service and this one was exceptionally good. I thought the Cenotaph Service was excellent too, but like you, am disgusted at this politician and embarrassed that he is a fellow Scot.

Oreo

midgey

If we hadn’t got long lenses on cameras none of this would have been noticed.

So?

Ok so what we don’t see can’t cause harm?

MissInterpreted

Oh, and he's Stephen Flynn, by the way - SNP MP for Aberdeen South and SNP Group Leader at Westminster.

Thank you

I did not see that..Not every Scot is SNP. He does not speak for the majority....I am Scot and my father fought in India and Burma. This politician should have shown respect irrespective of his political views or as you say not attended

Yes indeed. Our son did tours of Iraq and the Balkans as an officer with the Royal Air Force, came home safely when some of his comrades did not. Every time there was a ring on the doorbell or a knock on the door we were sick. It is not essential to sing God Save The King at all to remember and be gratfeful.

That would be Steven Flynn of the SNP showing his true colours again waste of a space of a man if ever one existed

Maybe by next year people will know it's Stephen Flynn, last year many thought he was Humza Yousef 🤣
He also represents Plaid Cymru at the Cenotaph.
www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1329574-Remembrance-service

Chocolatelovinggran

I have just attended the event of Remembrance at the local war memorial. One of my grandchildren was involved in the wreath laying.
I am a Christian and joined in with the hymns and the prayers, and, as a Republican, stood quietly as others sang the National Anthem.
I cannot speak for the person you are describing, but I wonder- should I have stayed away from this event. Should my not singing the National Anthem have barred me?

No, of course you should not have stayed away! You stood respectfully silent while others sang the National Anthem - nothing wrong with that.

Anniebach

Agree with Allira and 0reo if people are atheists why
attended a Christian service

No it isn't. What about those of other faiths, or none? Do they not count?

I can agree or disagree as can you

OldFrill

It's not often. I'm on the side of the SNP but the so called Christian sisterhood on this thread is vile. Christianity does not own Remembrance. Nearly half of Scotland wants independence and the way some are demanding they sing hymns and GSTK it's no wonder. How DARE anyone demand that someone compromise their principles, be hypocritical and sing songs because it confirms to their narrow minded religions view. That's Christianity is it? No wonder congregations are waning and the churches are being converted into housing (actually one near here is being converted into a mosque).
Last year and this year Stephen Flynn has been heavily criticised for standing by his principles. Show done human decency, it's Remembrance not bitchfest.
Some remarks made to me on here are incredibly incredibly hurtful.

I completely agree. Some disgraceful posts.

I watched the service and was proud to see the SNP represented. Many Scots died and should be remembered with respect. He laid the wreath properly and respectfully. I don’t suppose singing is compulsory, especially the National Anthem as the day is about the dead and not about the Royals.

…to be honest I was more disgusted at Boris Johnson’s hair. No effort made.

GrannyO

…to be honest I was more disgusted at Boris Johnson’s hair. No effort made.

Really?

How strange.

GrannyO

…to be honest I was more disgusted at Boris Johnson’s hair. No effort made.

Oh yes, he was never respectful but that's ok because of who he is/was. Not Scottish.

If his haircut is the only thing which disrespectful then that truly is nitpicking.

Flynn should learn a few manners from the redoubtable but respectful Ian Blackford.

paddyann54

Strange thing to be offended at….I am much more offended by the king,his son and his ssister wearing fancy dress uniforms of a rank they NEVER ATTAINED the two men did minimal serviceable and left as junior officers and even that was due to their birth…and Anne well she never served at all yet like her brother and nephew she is adorned/ plastered with medals
What an insult to the people who fought for their country to earn a medal and the dead ….who never came home.They weren’t given the option of fancy dress and a chest full of medals!! Yet you find a young man not singing a problem. I think the problem is the mindset of many on here that Royals are some kind of gods who must be worshipped whatever they do ,including adultery,sex abuse ,and scamming charities.
I,m glad my moral standards are much higher than that!!

Here we go again. Did you serve. The King and William did, so did others of our Royal Family.
They had dignity and reverence.
More than is seen on here by some.

Allira

GrannyO

…to be honest I was more disgusted at Boris Johnson’s hair. No effort made.

Really?

How strange.

Oh for goodness sakes.

Haven't seen the clip yet so relying on the 'evidence' presented here, which appears to be contradictory, so I will try to find it and judge it against these previous actions.
Did he place the wreath upside down...Johnson?
Did he helicopter out of the proceedings well before the end...Sunak watched by the World in France?
Did he cancel his appearance in case the rain would ruin his hair...Trump.
That he didn't recite the Christain prayer is NOYB, as it wasn't only Christians who died.

Good points GrannyO

MissInterpreted

Anniebach

Agree with Allira and 0reo if people are atheists why
attended a Christian service

The service of remembrance is surely for those of all faiths, is it not? What about all those who served who are or were not Christians? Do they not matter? That's hardly a very Christian attitude!

Exactly, those comments were despicable in the extremes. Many people who served were not Christians.

'"The Act of Remembrance is brief and non-religious, making it exceptionally well-suited to personalised commemorations. You may assemble whatever readings, music or other elements you wish to accompany the Act of Remembrance in order to make your own ceremony or event relevant to your particular community."
www.britishlegion.org.uk › ...'

just disgusting and totally lacking in respect.