I like the bunting

try Woodcraft Folk ht@tp://www.woodcraft.org.uk Motto: 'Span the world with friendship' & do not need to make pledges to God or Queen!

The wording is "do my best to do my duty" etc. Open to intepretation what one person's best is (it's never exactly the same as someone else's) and what constitutes duty. Simple. I didn't study philosophy for nothing, you know !

The Cubs make say the promise as is. My opinion is that it's almost (but not quite) worthless, as eight year olds aren't old enough to make promises, know who their god is (if any!) or what duty is. Most of my cubs are from families who have no religion (by the way).

I try to instill in them respect for self, respect for others, and respect for their surroundings. With that as grounding and a decent education in the rest of their lives, they should be fine.

The Beaver promise is almost perfect. It would be just right for everyone if the last four words were removed:

I promise to do my best to be kind and helpful and to love god.

They could change "love god" to "try to be good", which is what it really means, but that would be tautologous (see previous words of promise) as well as a bit yuck.

ej, I did look out for woodland folk but no luck around here. Not a big enough population to start one up either. If one is philosophical (which I am), and willing to stick one's neck out in the scout assoc (which I am), the onlt stumbling block is the promise. I haven't made any promises. I've been accepted as a humanist. An atheist humanist, but so long as the word humanist is there, they can cope. Silly or what? The attitude of the olf fogeys at the top will change in time or the association will fizzle out. It's already struggling to find leaders, thus the compromise with people like me who are not religious but like what scouting is really about — the great outdoors and team work.

And being able to muck in with a group of people anywhere in the world!

What the heck is ther "Woodcraaft People" got to do with the price of potatos potatoes spuds?!

Don't get me wrong Bags. You know I respect you hugely for running that cub pack. (was only wondering. As you I do)

What are the Woodcraft People anyway? A little bunch of fairy folk?

Don't answer thank you.

jing

bags it's a shame that you could not get together a group for Woodcraft with the expertise that you have with regard to embroidery, patchworking and the like I know many a little girl or boy would would welcome the challenge and your share your knowledge I have always found the members of Woodcraft to be very welcoming and I think they are also not given the publicity that they deserve.

jo4 you can see on the website what they are about. I am just getting a group going here. More family oriented than most scout /cub/guides etc and less heirarchical in organisation.

I like bunting. I make bunting. I don't know how to market my bunting!

Trish I see it sold at Craft Fairs, Vintage Fairs etc.
The latter would be good especially if you use' 'recycled' fabrics. Add some mis-matched china, some home-made napkins etc to your stall and you have the makings of a tea party in the garden to inspire buyers! Good luck!

trish do you do 'to order'? If so try leaflets at NCT / parent and toddler groups etc to get the word out on the street locally.