Is Jenni Murray right about transgender?

Me too ann, I'm a feminist and I've been fightin' all my life, my daughter will end up with less rights than I did. She may not even have the right to privacy. Her great grandmother did, her grandmother did, but she may loose this right. Also the right to compete with her own sex. All gone, given away on a whim.

Yup Rigby, take Jenni Murray down a peg ot two but lets respect those pronouns when we are talking about rapists.

Also someone said that to be critical of the trans agenda is the same as being homophobic, it is nothing like homophobia. Sexuality does not ask someone to take medication, to remove healthy body tissue or to appropriate a sex that is not your own.

In country's where homosexuality is illegal people are encouraged to transition, Iran I am looking at you. Let that sink in. The trans agenda is deeply homophobic and the way lesbians are treated by the movement is vile.

Ankers Delusions of Gender by Cordelia Fine is a good read if you are interested in brains.

What strikes me most in this discussion, (which is very enlightening , for me, anyway) is that it's almost all about male to female change, rather than female to male change.
I wonder why that is?

TriciaF because it's the men that are the problem. The other way round, trans men don't go around saying that they are real men and know what it's like to be a man - oh and they don't rape women either.

And because trans men don't express the deep deep hatred of women that the trans women TAs do.

Or do I mean deep deep hatred of men? Probably

Tricia, there is a ton of girls and women transitioning, in higher numbers than males. they take testosterone, wear breast binders and change their names and pronouns. I feel that most are young women opting out of the pornified version of woman they see on the table or young lesbians caught in the zeitgeist. What transmen don't seem to do is to bully and harass gay men who won't sleep with them or pour vitriol on women who don't agree with them.

Ankers scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=brain+plasticity+&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis=1This is a link to google scholar, if you type in brain plasicity or brain plasticity peer reviewed it will give you lots of food for thought. It's fab, I use it to research brains and skincare products plus anything else that takes my fancy, though not at the same time.

If there is anything else I can link to let me know, I'll have a hunt around.

I presume for Rigby, LMP and others, it is the TAs that are the problem and not the "ordinary" trans even when they are transitioning from men to women?

Tnaks LSP[sorry I just called you LMP]

Thanks

This has all the makings of a medical disaster in the future.

Vulnerable children given potentially dangerous puberty blockers;
Transwomen growing up with the effect of testosterone, male musculature and bony structure competing in sports against women;
A transwoman is just now going through the courts with a rape charge, being charged as a woman FFS. If convicted the crime will therefore become part of female crime statistics.See
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4289920/Woman-26-appears-court-charged-raping-man.html

The army recently celebrated its "first" female soldier in the front line. No, it was a transwoman.

Transwomen in entertainment being nominated for female prizes.

Transwomen who have not undergone surgery being allowed into female places e.g. toilets, bathrooms and because they have identified as women no one can do anything about it. What an invitation to male perverts that is.

The Green Party referring to "non-men" rather than men and women to save the feelings of this small minority of individuals. Never mind the feelings of 50% of the population.

We now are supposed to refer to "pregnant persons" rather than women - no less than the BMA brought out guidelines to this effect. Seems doctors can't tell the difference between sex and gender either.

Babies now being "asigned" a "gender" at birth so not the baby's sex being observed. Assigned a gender my arse.

And politicians, the media and even liberal feminists buying into this nonsense.

I have no problem with transwomen: there are numbers of rational, logical transwomen speaking out and saying transwomen are not women. It's the transactivists and their campaigns that seem to be ruling the agenda and sweeping all before.

As usual it is women who are expected to budge up and make room for men.

There are plenty of links to the assertions I've made. Just log on to Mumsnet.

Personally for me, I do not have a problem with some of the above.

The main one for me is this one
^Transwomen who have not undergone surgery being allowed into female places e.g. toilets, bathrooms and because they have identified as women no one can do anything about it. What an invitation to male perverts that is.
as I said before. But I can only see the one article on the internet as I said before.
Hardly enough to jump up and down about. So what else is there about that?

I do have a problem with women crime statistics but I assume that could easily get sorted.

Vulnerable children give beta blockers - I would need to find out more.

the army - off to google.

Beta blockers? Who's gving vulnerable children beta blockers?

Yes Ankers, I think you should do quite a bit of research, not just about the army. I'm no expert but how on earth do you think women crime statistics could 'easily get sorted'?

the army - did they "celebrate? Or was it just an article in the Sun newspaper?
She had only started hormone treatment in the last month, so bit of an odd article really.

By whoever writes the crime statistics to put trans woman of course.

puberty blockers not beta blockers.

Found this
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/17/british-army-gets-first-woman-on-frontline-as-transgender-soldie/

Yes, the army do seem rather pleased with themselves.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2631472/NHS-sex-change-drugs-nine-year-olds-Clinic-accused-playing-God-treatment-stops-puberty.html

eeks

Babies now being assigned a gender at birth - cant find anything on this. Not in Britain anyway.

Ok, deep breath, as I've not posted on Gransnet for a while, apart from the relative safety of Soops Kitchen ...
I think Jenny Murray was wrong to say what she did, purely because, as a BBC journalist (albeit freelance) she should be seen to be unbiased, irrespective of her personal views.
However, while I don't agree with her that transitioned females aren't 'proper' women, whatever that is, I do have difficulty accepting that transitioned women are able to access all the spaces that we 'ordinary' women regarded as purely for women - e.g. toilets. Perhaps the answer is single sex, all cubicle toilets ... after we don't have gender divisive loos at home, do we?
I know a person who is in the process of transitioning from female to male and that person uses the disabled loos, but that doesn't seem right. Gender issues are not a disability and shouldn't be designated as such, surely?
Where I do have a major problem though is that, according to the media, Scouts which now admit both genders, are no going to be able to differentiate. Both genders, children, sharing a tent - I don't think so.

Someone mentioned above that you don't seem to see/hear about girls transitioning into boys. I think that may be purely because girls can dress like boys without anyone thinking anything other than that they're wearing trousers; similarly with haircuts. Boys wearing skirts and having long hair, especially the skirts, are more noticeable. Maybe wrongly, maybe 'just' because we are conditioned to feel like that, I don't know, but that seems to be the case.

Now back into Soops Kitchen, I think.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2872063-Being-called-a-bigot-and-transphobe-my-response

If you have the stamina for a long bedtime read......

Ankers - Chloe was celebrated on www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37391807 breakfast. She was celebrated far and wide.

What really breaks my heart is that we all know if an XX female had been the first they wouldn't even have mentioned it.

If the gender recognition bill goes through that's it, people decide their sex and will be in the facilities that match that, obviously this could change every second Tuesday if they wish. There are quite a few reports of mtt accessing female toilets in the workspace as companies bend over backwards not to be seen as transphobic.

Perhaps the answer is single sex, all cubicle toilets ... after we don't have gender divisive loos at home, do we?

But we are not peeing next to our dads.[apologies for sounding coarse].

I did like the rest of your post though Retrolady if that helps?!
Dont be frightened to post. There will always be posters to look after you.

Are the TAs really advocating rape?